Good stuff, Tones ! I like that direction. Some thoughts (not necessarily in love with my choice of words below), standing tall on Tones' shoulders:
A tiddler is the most primitive/basic multi-purpose building block in TiddlyWiki. Some example purposes of a tiddler: * as an atomic data store (for example, to store either "true" or "false" values related to a check box) * reference data values (a data tiddler as a miniature database) * content analogous to a record, * content relating to a topic * pure aggregator of other tiddlers via transclusion * a fragment of information * a representation of some metaphor, like "card", or "note", or "logbook entry", etc. etc. * a script, or a collection of scripts * a transclusion template * a tiddler creation template () * an image * etc. etc. etc. * any number of purposes combined in one tiddler On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:44:30 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote: > I was fumbling my way around tiddlywiki.com and came across this > following SVG tiddler, "Tiddler Fishes.svg" > > The thought occurred, perhaps we are just not promoting the idea of > tiddlers and a wiki of them enough. As they say "in for a penny, in for a > pound". > > Perhaps we are not taking ownership of the original idea of Jeremy's about > tiddlers and their multifunctional use, perhaps we just need to explain and > promote the "story". Then no need to name change, already if you search for > tiddler you get descriptive definitions. We just need to add to this more > information and stop this desire to rename tiddlywiki etc... > > The value of defining your own term is invaluable, sure it is like cards, > fragments, records etc.. but if you own a term, you need to ensure people > understand it. Define it publicly. > > eg; > *Tiddlers are small pieces of information you can organise however you > want, but they also control the user interface, settings and a lot more in > tiddlywiki. They can acts as index cards, notes, fragments and records you > may find in other applications or databases, so we felt we needed a new > name "tiddler", to represent this very flexible unit of information.* > > Regards > Tones > > On Tuesday, 19 January 2021 at 11:14:59 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote: > >> Oooooo, I think you're getting to my semantic hiccup with "cards". >> >> To me, a "card" represents an object. For example: a recipe, a business >> client, etc. >> >> On the card, there's all kinds of data on it. Recipe might have >> ingredients and measures, and instructions like cooking time and >> temperature. >> >> And that's where tiddler comes in. A tiddler may be just a bit of data. >> A tiddler might transclude a whole bunch of other tiddlers to present all >> data as a "card". A tiddler might have no data at all (i.e. not even be a >> "fragment"): a tiddler could be a transclusion template, or an image, or a >> script, etc. etc. >> >> So a bit more why I love "tiddler". A nice abstract word that doesn't >> ascribe any purpose/stereotype. Something like that ... >> >> >> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 7:36:48 PM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >> >>> Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> *TiddlyTweeter wrote:* >>>> >>>>> *Charlie ...* >>>>> * "card" turns me off for some weird reason (gets me semantically >>>>> glitching?). * >>>>> >>>>> *Right. Me too. Card / record has an implying very bound up with >>>>> database histories. I actually think the TW "fragment" is actually NOT >>>>> that. It is quite distant form such "pre-structuring" concepts.* >>>>> >>>> >>> Here's an additional aspect, which was bothering me back when I was >>> reading the thread last week about possible alternative names for >>> TiddlyWiki and, more relevant here, tiddlers, but I couldn't quite place it >>> until now. I love index cards, and they're very flexible, but they're >>> *objects*; they don't do anything themselves. You write them, you read >>> them, you tag them, you reorder them, you filter them, you group them, but >>> at the end of the day they're pieces of data in a single format that you, >>> an actor outside the system of cards, are manipulating. Tiddlers aren't >>> like that at all. Tiddlers behave like data, yes, but they also behave like >>> templates and tags and filters and calculators and bulletin boards and >>> highlighters. Tiddlers *do *the sorting and filtering on other >>> tiddlers; the distinction between actor and data is gone, and it's all one >>> system that loops back on itself. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a0e5d719-7e75-444b-9c6c-16d421be2938n%40googlegroups.com.
