@charlie : that's exactly what i thought, when i first read Mark's comment (GMTA :-)
@mark : thanks for explaining the two problem cases, and how Bob solves #2. In this site i'm now playing with <https://valedalama.github.io/> -not a Bob instance, but with tiddlers as separate .tid files- Github handles both 1 and 2 via Git's built-in version control affordances... But as i am editing this site via TiddlyDesktop (which *is* a node.js server, if i understand it correctly -yes?), i must take care to save the updated index.html file to my desktop when edit is finished, and then manage the Git workflow from my (Atom) text editor, such that i pull any updates from Github server before i push my update(s -any tiddlers edited, plus index.html) back thru Git. Bit of a PITA for me, but worth doing, if i ever manage to engage any collaborators about this -at which time, we'll need to implement that "gentlemen's agreement" about some tagging convention TBD. On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:25:37 PM UTC [email protected] wrote: > I have no experience with multi-user TiddlyWiki, so please take with a > huge heap of salt ... > > Mark S. wrote: "You can solve problem #1 by having a gentlewomen's > (gentlemen's) agreement for assigning tiddlers. Like "All my tiddlers will > start with LUD" Bob solves problem #2 by automatically showing you changed > tiddlers on the server." > > I'm thinking that would be a good occasion to use tags (instead of adorned > tiddler titles) for "tiddler ownership and tiddler assignment". I.E. if > you aren't the owner of the tiddler and aren't assigned the tiddler, then > (as per gentlemen's agreement) do not be monkeying around with that tiddler. > > So the advantage here of using tags instead of tiddler naming > conventions: the tags make it so easy to "query" (via filters) "your" > tiddlers. > > *And* then you can do some fancy aggregating of various tiddlers into > some nice consolidated personal and team views. > > For example: When putting together an "aggregate notes tiddler" for some > app, each teammate can create tiddler notes with "ownership tag" and "app > name tag", and the related "app aggregate notes tiddler" can transclude all > related notes via filtering of the relevant tags. > > Just a thought. Possibly over-caffeinated ... > > On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:23:03 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote: > >> If you're making a collaborative wiki then one must assume that you are >> using some form node.js TiddlyWiki. You can't really do collaboration with >> single-file TW except via federation, which is more of a concept than an >> actual thing. With node.js you have multiple tiddler files. They can all be >> on a shared resource like dropbox. Each person then would have their own >> node.js instance running. Or in an office, there could be one server that >> everyone connects to. There are two problems. >> >> 1. Someone else can write over your tiddler while you're writing >> 2. You can't see someone else's changes without restarting the node server >> >> You can solve problem #1 by having a gentlewomen's (gentlemen's) >> agreement for assigning tiddlers. Like "All my tiddlers will start with >> LUD" Bob solves problem #2 by automatically showing you changed tiddlers on >> the server. >> >> Security on the net is hard. Companies get hacked every day. Putting a >> node.js instance directly on a public-facing internet server would probably >> be dangerous, even though node.js does have a facility for ssl >> certificates. VPN provides a more secure way for non-experts in security to >> share files over the net. >> >> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 2:17:50 AM UTC-8 ludwa6 wrote: >> >>> @tones , can you explain: Why only in VPN-Intranet mode? Is it (a) To >>> maintain integrity of InfoArchitecture (i.e. controlled vocabulary, >>> taxonomy, naming conventions, etc.), or (b) Because of system security >>> (i.e. risk of malicious hacking)... Or is it A+B both? >>> >>> From my limited tech understanding, i would guess both, since "it's >>> tiddlers all the way down"... But i think it's important to distinguish >>> between these two forms of risk, because there could be different ways of >>> handling each. >>> >>> I've had a good browse around the Bob repo >>> <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/>, b/t/w, but must say: i'm not >>> really understanding what UseCase(s) it is designed to enable, and i've yet >>> to find any working examples of it online. Would be most interested to >>> see, if anyone can point me to any... And if you have any demo of your >>> solution-in-dev to show, Tones, that might also be instructive. >>> >>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 11:30:51 PM UTC TW Tones wrote: >>> >>>> Cedric, >>>> >>>> My simple answer to " Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for >>>> me? " is yes, but it important to realise the following key points; >>>> >>>> - TiddlyWiki is a platform on which a suitable tool can be built >>>> and evolved >>>> - True collaboration is only possible on top of Bob which is a Node >>>> solution and thus may be a safe Intranet or LAN solution, but only an >>>> internet solution with a VPN by users into you LAN (my opinion) >>>> - Jed is building more of the security and Internet facing features >>>> with Bob but he needs more funding support >>>> - I have being working toward a simple serial editor method (Check >>>> in / Out) which would be another way to collaborate but I have not had >>>> much >>>> support and would need some funding as well, as I need to make a living. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Tones >>>> On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 20:41:09 UTC+11 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>> >>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very >>>>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between >>>>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting >>>>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. >>>>> >>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>> Tiddly. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards. >>>>> Cedric J. >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ae8b575d-20f4-4351-ab43-0a134d858202n%40googlegroups.com.
