Interesting, @finn, your 2nd point, as yours <https://wiki.finnsoftware.net/> is the first example of TW5 that i have seen which actually enables collaborative editing (albeit in a simple form, and not without some hiccups <http://finnsoftware.forumotion.com/act-1-18c2697c> :-). Though it appears to be in its infancy, i would be interested (as would others here i suspect, it being so relevant to this topic) to hear in a bit more depth about the form(s) of collaboration your site aims to support, since it is not yet very well elaborated in-context.
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:57:48 PM UTC flanc...@gmail.com wrote: > @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most > definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a > great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a > group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For > example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve > removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find > them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core > vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and > hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone > attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing > needed to do all of this correctly is patience. > > The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric > would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted > on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully > collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again > would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric > if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a > little bit of testing for this purpose. > > Regards, > Finn Lancaster > Software Developer finnsoftware.net > Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <hww...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ludwa6: >> >> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> >> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >> > The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i >>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm >>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>> >>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally >>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to >>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>> >>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the >>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an >>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's >>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) >>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up >>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all >>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, >>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>> >>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a >>> really good collaborative one? >>> >>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is. >>> To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative >>> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to >>> explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all >>> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of >>> its army of dedicated editors!) >>> >>> /walt >>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>> >>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for >>>> just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the >>>> job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of >>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>> >>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't let >>>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." Avoid >>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. Let >>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try >>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>> . >>>> >>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will fit you >>>> and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution with >>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your >>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>> >>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>> >>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very >>>>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between >>>>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting >>>>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. >>>>> >>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>> Tiddly. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards. >>>>> Cedric J. >>>>> >>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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