@ludwa6 asked for a bit of explanation of sorts for my wiki site, so here it is:
Although it is still in its infancy, a fact @ludwa6 pointed out, my wiki seeks to be a collaborative collection of programs people have made, as well as explanations and ideas for new programs and techniques. Right now, there are very few contributions, so I’m mainly trying to advertise/build the site base. It is my hope to build the next Wikipedia for coding: where anyone can add, edit, or share programming ideas, build them, or work with other members to make them. After this, and a few site requests I’ve received, I will probably add a documentation/developer page to the site main at www.finnsoftware.net, but for now upcoming changes are posted at the “Coming Soon!” page. On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 8:31 AM ludwa6 <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting, @finn, your 2nd point, as yours > <https://wiki.finnsoftware.net/> is the first example of TW5 that i have > seen which actually enables collaborative editing (albeit in a simple form, > and not without some hiccups > <http://finnsoftware.forumotion.com/act-1-18c2697c> :-). Though it > appears to be in its infancy, i would be interested (as would others here i > suspect, it being so relevant to this topic) to hear in a bit more depth > about the form(s) of collaboration your site aims to support, since it is > not yet very well elaborated in-context. > > On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:57:48 PM UTC [email protected] wrote: > >> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most >> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a >> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a >> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For >> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve >> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find >> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core >> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and >> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone >> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing >> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. >> >> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric >> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted >> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully >> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again >> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric >> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a >> little bit of testing for this purpose. >> >> Regards, >> Finn Lancaster >> Software Developer finnsoftware.net >> Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net >> > >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ludwa6: >>> >>> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >>> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >>> >>> Regards, >>> Hans >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >>> >> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i >>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm >>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>>> >>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally >>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to >>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>>> >>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of >>>> the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an >>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's >>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) >>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up >>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all >>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, >>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a >>>> really good collaborative one? >>>> >>>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is. >>>> To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative >>>> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to >>>> explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all >>>> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of >>>> its army of dedicated editors!) >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>>> >>>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for >>>>> just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the >>>>> job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of >>>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>>> >>>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't let >>>>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." Avoid >>>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. Let >>>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try >>>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will fit >>>>> you and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution with >>>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your >>>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>>> >>>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a >>>>>> very small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared >>>>>> between people who yet work in the same room and I want to start >>>>>> documenting projects and applications while managing updates and >>>>>> versions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>>> Tiddly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards. >>>>>> Cedric J. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/86a197a3-05ef-44b7-a70a-0571f3531fb4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/86a197a3-05ef-44b7-a70a-0571f3531fb4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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