Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I didn't reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information you and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very much appreciated!
One follow-up question about Stroll: How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two horizontal row layout instead? So as an example instead of <div>col1</div> <div>col2</div> as it is now it would be <div>row1</div> <div>row2</div> Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be very much open to it. On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you > and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your > mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the > more options you will find. > > The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics > or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you > write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you > turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be > links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not > bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the > reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing > will change, so there will be no reference to Country A. > > I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't > help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: > Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently > reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor > toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the > note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But > you may be doing something else that requires something totally different. > > HTH > > > > On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much >> feedback! It has been very helpful. >> >> If I may ask two follow-up questions: >> >> 1) I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness >> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the >> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on >> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking >> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as >> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building >> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where I >> utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or >> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of >> content? >> >> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use would >> be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the City >> tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you created >> it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it is just a >> preference of how you want to do the link back? >> >> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still >> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't >> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of >> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to >> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have >> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again >> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the >> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific >> tiddler with Freelinks turned on. >> >> Not to sound redundant but thank you again! >> >> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> Hi iamdar... >>> >>> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in >>> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the >>> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, >>> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get >>> to it. >>> >>> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the >>> references are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an >>> experiment to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I >>> also made b-linking visible. >>> >>> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it >>> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. >>> >>> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need backlinking, >>> since each tiddler refers to the other (Country A and City A, for example). >>> But as you hint at, there are plenty of topics where you might not want to >>> go through all the effort of writing out each description fully and with >>> ample backlinks, as you have done. Life is short, and hopefully you are not >>> trying to compete with Wikipedia for completeness. >>> >>> I tend to create what I call index tiddlers when I want to create a >>> table of contents on a given topic (say, Index: Country A). I keep that >>> separate from Country A, where I keep the definition and description. But I >>> usually find a way to hide index tiddlers when viewing in context or as >>> transclusion, because index tiddlers tend to be longer. >>> >>> If you haven't seen Drift, you might also want to see the way it handles >>> references. https://akhater.github.io/drift/ It was inspired by Stroll, >>> but avoids the extra column, and adds tagging and freelinks to the >>> references, which is more thorough. >>> >>> I don't think the focus on backlinking in Stroll is pulling TiddlyWiki >>> away from its roots. In part it is just making more explicit the backlink >>> feature that already existed in TW. And in part, because ultimately TW is >>> about customization and mixing and matching to create the workflow you >>> need. And that would be my main advice to you as you build the world >>> builder: don't rush to make it public. Play with it for awhile, use it >>> yourself, and tweak it in order to eliminate defects and make it work for >>> your workflow. That way when you do feel comfortable with the 'final' >>> product, you will be able to describe not only the features but a suggested >>> workflow. You need to be able to articulate what WorldBuilder does best, >>> and for what real world use cases. >>> >>> Not offended, I understood what you meant, and I hope the above helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, >>>> and contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only >>>> reference it as Stroll going forward :) >>>> >>>> If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I >>>> apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I understand >>>> the functionality, but from a practice standpoint, is the idea just to >>>> provide a quick reference/link for convenience (as mentioned Linking in >>>> Stroll, part 2 from your site which I just now read a second time and >>>> perhaps did so correctly this time lol)? Or is it also way to create a >>>> "summary" or "list" of related content? I guess my confusion/over thinking >>>> is coming from the idea that if you are writing a wiki entry and link to a >>>> related entry then somewhere in that entry there would end up a link back >>>> to the original entry. Now I'm saying wiki entry but in this case I mean >>>> Tiddler. >>>> >>>> IE: >>>> >>>> Country A >>>> Country A is a vast land composed of [[City A]], [[City B]], and [[City >>>> C]]. Etc. Etc. >>>> >>>> City A >>>> City A is the capital of [[Country A]] and is due north of [[City B]], >>>> and [[City C]]. Etc. Etc. >>>> >>>> City B >>>> City B, is the second largest city of [[Country A]] and can be found >>>> south of [[City A]] and west of [[City C]]. >>>> >>>> City C >>>> City C, is the smallest all of [[Country A]]'s cities and can be found >>>> south of [[City A]] and east of [[City B]]. >>>> >>>> In order for the bi-directional links of Stroll to work I would need to >>>> do the above, or at least have a reference like section where I list out >>>> the associated Tiddler links at least once. But haven't I already created >>>> a >>>> bi-directional link when I linked to/created City A from Country A and >>>> then >>>> referenced Country A in City A? >>>> >>>> I could see not having any content in Country A, simply a tiddler with >>>> the title Country A and then having the related contents of City A, B, and >>>> C link to [[Country A]] with *Highlights in context* turned on in the >>>> Stroll settings. But then how do you determine which Tiddler level to use >>>> the "summary"? >>>> >>>> There is also the idea that I'm butchering the tiddler method here and >>>> am over complicating things by treating TiddlyWiki as something it isn't >>>> by >>>> default and that Stroll turns it into. I hope I haven't been offensive in >>>> my questions/explanation. Just trying to understand everything better for >>>> TiddlyWiki use in general, and my own World Builder project. >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance for your time! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:54:17 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, TiddlyBlink (blink = bidirectional link) was my first attempt to >>>>> imitate Roam in TiddlyWiki. Stroll (not 'TiddlyStroll') was my later >>>>> experiment that improved on it, with mucho help coming from Saq Imtiaz. >>>>> TiddlyRoam is just someone else's combination of TiddlyBlink + TiddlyMap. >>>>> >>>>> Grab or adapt anything you like from TiddlyBlink or Stroll that you >>>>> find helpful. >>>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a >>>>>> chance to work on it this past week. During my planning though I came >>>>>> across something that I got confused about in the beginning. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column >>>>>> view) and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. >>>>>> From my understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was >>>>>> the >>>>>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll. >>>>>> >>>>>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder >>>>>> and TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus >>>>>> the >>>>>> two column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin >>>>>> being >>>>>> active). >>>>>> >>>>>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit >>>>>> has been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come >>>>>> across/put together for TiddlyWorldBuilder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/ >>>>>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html >>>>>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html >>>>>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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