@Si : Dude! I just used your clever little button script to flatten a caffeine-fueled Stream of a couple dozen nodes into a single tiddler to memorialise that epic train of thought :-). Think i'm gonna add this button feature to my Journal tiddler template, to see if this makes that sticky business of daily Journal-writing flow eaasierr, without making such a mess in my Zettelkasten. Thanks for this, mate... and,
PS, i'm likewise interested in the idea of using Streams as an incremental reading tool; AND PPS: Also +1 the idea of finding some mechanism whereby we could send some monetary tokens of appreciation Saq's way! /walt On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 12:01:09 AM UTC+1 Si wrote: > Hi Walt, > > SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can >> you relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way >> "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a >> TW instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow >> and/or code would be most appreciated. > > > I don't personally have any need to convert a stream into a bulleted list > within a single tiddler*.* As you note, outliners very useful for agile > note taking, but in my opinion a hierarchical list is not the best way to > *present* a single idea. So in general once I have moved my streams nodes > to their evergreen home, I aspire to convert my notes into more readable > prose. I do this by rearranging the nodes into a flat list, re-writing as > required, and then flattening with a button described here: > https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rEtegfiGYJE/m/L0-euDfWAAAJ > > In reality I rarely actually get to that stage, and am generally happy to > leave my evergreen notes in "node-form". I don't personally see any benefit > in converting them to a bulleted markdown list, but it depends on what your > use case is? > > Meanwhile: i too would very much like to know who else is using Streams >> regularly, and in what sort of workflow(s). >> So if you are one, dear reader, please let us know! > > > Hi Saq, > > One of the things I would dearly like to know is how many people are >> actually using Streams on a regular basis, and what their workflow looks >> like. My feeling is its a very small handful and I'll admit that probably >> influences how much time I devote to working on Streams. > > > You may have seen it but I roughly described my workflow here: > https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gbEHUyX8dc0/m/r1yF5JdXCAAJ > > For me Streams excels at quickly capturing information that I cannot yet > fit into any main ideas within your knowledge. Being able to re-jig this > captured information is helpful for making sense of it, eventually > integrating them with the main ideas that I want to internalise. In > particular this can help to break through some of the constraints of linear > reading. > > I aspire to one day build some incremental reading > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_reading> tools with > TiddlyWiki, which may partially replace my use of streams, but for now I > have found streams to be the best solution for non-linear reading. > > On the topic of how many people use it, maybe you could consider creating > a Google Form and linking to it from the download page, asking users if > they would take a second to answer some brief questions? > > I was also wondering if you had considered setting up a way for users to > donate? Not necessarily to fund development, just to show appreciation for > great free software! I am not currently in a position to contribute much, > but in the future I would certainly be happy to subscribe to a patreon or > whatever. > > I would add that like Mario I am very happy with the current features of > streams, though I have made the following tweak to the text display for the > breadcrumbs. It's a very minor thing, but in my opinion looks nicer than > just cutting off the title mid-word: > > <$text text={{{ > [<display-title>length[]compare:number:lt[40]then<display-title>] > ~[<display-title>split[]first[40]join[]trim[]addsuffix[...]] }}}/> > > I wonder if you think it should be added when you next update? > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 14:22, ludwa6 <wlud...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Picking up where this earlier thread >> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o> left off, i am >> following Saq's advice >> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> to >> start another conversation on the more specific question of HOW best to use >> -and perhaps adapt- the Streams plugin, to make TW into a great tool for >> not only "intertwingly" NoteTaking (which it certainly is), but also great >> for agile NoteTaking, as defined in aforementioned thread. >> >> Having just installed the plugin (Streams 0.2.18) in my TiddlyDesktop >> instance, i am already fairly drunk on the power of having what feels like >> a full-fledged outliner *within* a tiddler, where i can bang out a >> stream of bullet points, promote & demote, indent & outdent, etc... All as >> fast as i can type the keystrokes, or drag&drop on mobile. >> >> But then: the result is a slew of tiddlers with long numeric IDs that, >> tho nicely presented in the edit window as a clean hierarchal outline, >> cannot be either flattened into a single tiddler, nor exported or even >> copy/pasted into the tiddler body via any built-in affordance. I've been >> going the copy/paste way so far, but it's a hard road to travel, given any >> significant length and/or complexity to your outline. >> >> Now: plugin author Saq said essentially >> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> >> that the only reason he hasn't built in any such affordance is that he >> doesn't know what users want: a simple concatenation of the stream? a >> hierarchial structure in some form? >> >> For me, the best (and simplest?) solution would be to convert the stream >> to Markdown: each node being just a line of text preceded by a number of >> asterisks (1->any) to reflect its level in the hierarchy. This could be >> interpreted & displayed correctly in any tiddler that is formatted >> Markdown; TW has affordances for this -as does Github (.md is default >> format of ReadMe files there) and most web publishing & word processing >> apps you can find these days. Indeed, Saq indicated >> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/BF2bQzugAAAJ> >> that a .md<->.tid converter would be no big deal (for him, at least :-) to >> create; this would enable not only "flattening" of a Stream in such manner, >> but also importing a .md file as presentable tiddler content. Now THAT >> would be cool, IMHO... But that's just me, so far. >> >> SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can >> you relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way >> "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a >> TW instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow >> and/or code would be most appreciated. >> >> NB: I did learn in the course of that earlier thread about this >> Streams-to-text >> solution <https://szen.io/stream/> (thanks @Si for the pointer), but Saq >> warned >> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/yXLAGwBIAQAJ> >> that the plugin (actually a microAddOn/Mod, according to author Jan) is not >> compatible with current version of Streams as it stands, though he believes >> that Jan is working on it. So i'm holding off on installing that for now, >> but would love to hear any news or user reports about that. >> >> /walt >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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