@ludwa6 the macrocall takes advantage of a new feature in 5.1.24 (or 5.2.0)
- extended <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/cf56a17f28f1e44dcb62c5e161be4ac29e27c3f2> unusedtitle macro to use the prefix parameter (up until then I had copied/modified the unusedtitle macro to do the same) On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 06:23, ludwa6 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey @fred: Good to hear, thanks ; sounds like you too might make good use > of the button script Si has provided > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/-xTFWPwzq6g/m/K98n6_NZAgAJ>, as > i am now doing. > > Also, i am curious to try your node-naming macrocall... But i wonder what > you mean by "requires pre-release". Does that mean a specific version of > TW and/or Streams is needed? If so, can you say which it is, specifically? > > /walt > On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 4:01:37 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > >> I use Streams daily (all my TW interactions are Streams-based). I my >> workflow, I treat them as sub-tiddlers really. You could say I replaced >> larger tiddlers with multiple headings with much smaller streams nodes (but >> not single line ones); main advantage is I can move nodes around, indent >> them, etc... and drag them from one tiddler to another (although I have >> recently noted this has an unfortunate side effect). And the double-click >> edit is very handy, focused to the one sub-tiddler I care to change. >> >> I have customized the node titles to be <$macrocall $name="unusedtitle" >> baseName=<<parent>> separator="/" /> (requires pre-release). In my >> workflow however, the return key does not create a new nodes; >> shift-return does (ctrl-return exits edit mode). This way I can enter >> several lines, bullets, etc.. and when I am ready, shift-return for the >> next node. I like that better. I use alt-right, alt-left to indent, so I >> can manage lists of bullets, number or checkboxes. >> >> In all I am a big fan; I have on occasion wished for the ability to >> flatten and move content around to overcome the unfortunate side-effect, >> but have done so manually. >> >> Cheers; and thanks Saq! >> >> >> On Thursday, 24 June 2021 at 19:01:09 UTC-4 Si wrote: >> >>> Hi Walt, >>> >>> SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can >>>> you relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way >>>> "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a >>>> TW instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow >>>> and/or code would be most appreciated. >>> >>> >>> I don't personally have any need to convert a stream into a bulleted >>> list within a single tiddler*.* As you note, outliners very useful for >>> agile note taking, but in my opinion a hierarchical list is not the best >>> way to *present* a single idea. So in general once I have moved my >>> streams nodes to their evergreen home, I aspire to convert my notes into >>> more readable prose. I do this by rearranging the nodes into a flat list, >>> re-writing as required, and then flattening with a button described here: >>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rEtegfiGYJE/m/L0-euDfWAAAJ >>> >>> In reality I rarely actually get to that stage, and am generally happy >>> to leave my evergreen notes in "node-form". I don't personally see any >>> benefit in converting them to a bulleted markdown list, but it depends on >>> what your use case is? >>> >>> Meanwhile: i too would very much like to know who else is using Streams >>>> regularly, and in what sort of workflow(s). >>>> So if you are one, dear reader, please let us know! >>> >>> >>> Hi Saq, >>> >>> One of the things I would dearly like to know is how many people are >>>> actually using Streams on a regular basis, and what their workflow looks >>>> like. My feeling is its a very small handful and I'll admit that probably >>>> influences how much time I devote to working on Streams. >>> >>> >>> You may have seen it but I roughly described my workflow here: >>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gbEHUyX8dc0/m/r1yF5JdXCAAJ >>> >>> For me Streams excels at quickly capturing information that I cannot yet >>> fit into any main ideas within your knowledge. Being able to re-jig this >>> captured information is helpful for making sense of it, eventually >>> integrating them with the main ideas that I want to internalise. In >>> particular this can help to break through some of the constraints of linear >>> reading. >>> >>> I aspire to one day build some incremental reading >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_reading> tools with >>> TiddlyWiki, which may partially replace my use of streams, but for now I >>> have found streams to be the best solution for non-linear reading. >>> >>> On the topic of how many people use it, maybe you could consider >>> creating a Google Form and linking to it from the download page, asking >>> users if they would take a second to answer some brief questions? >>> >>> I was also wondering if you had considered setting up a way for users to >>> donate? Not necessarily to fund development, just to show appreciation for >>> great free software! I am not currently in a position to contribute much, >>> but in the future I would certainly be happy to subscribe to a patreon or >>> whatever. >>> >>> I would add that like Mario I am very happy with the current features of >>> streams, though I have made the following tweak to the text display for the >>> breadcrumbs. It's a very minor thing, but in my opinion looks nicer than >>> just cutting off the title mid-word: >>> >>> <$text text={{{ >>> [<display-title>length[]compare:number:lt[40]then<display-title>] >>> ~[<display-title>split[]first[40]join[]trim[]addsuffix[...]] }}}/> >>> >>> I wonder if you think it should be added when you next update? >>> >>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 14:22, ludwa6 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Picking up where this earlier thread >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o> left off, i am >>>> following Saq's advice >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> >>>> to start another conversation on the more specific question of HOW best to >>>> use -and perhaps adapt- the Streams plugin, to make TW into a great tool >>>> for not only "intertwingly" NoteTaking (which it certainly is), but also >>>> great for agile NoteTaking, as defined in aforementioned thread. >>>> >>>> Having just installed the plugin (Streams 0.2.18) in my TiddlyDesktop >>>> instance, i am already fairly drunk on the power of having what feels like >>>> a full-fledged outliner *within* a tiddler, where i can bang out a >>>> stream of bullet points, promote & demote, indent & outdent, etc... All as >>>> fast as i can type the keystrokes, or drag&drop on mobile. >>>> >>>> But then: the result is a slew of tiddlers with long numeric IDs that, >>>> tho nicely presented in the edit window as a clean hierarchal outline, >>>> cannot be either flattened into a single tiddler, nor exported or even >>>> copy/pasted into the tiddler body via any built-in affordance. I've been >>>> going the copy/paste way so far, but it's a hard road to travel, given any >>>> significant length and/or complexity to your outline. >>>> >>>> Now: plugin author Saq said essentially >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/9lO63cZEAQAJ> >>>> that the only reason he hasn't built in any such affordance is that he >>>> doesn't know what users want: a simple concatenation of the stream? a >>>> hierarchial structure in some form? >>>> >>>> For me, the best (and simplest?) solution would be to convert the >>>> stream to Markdown: each node being just a line of text preceded by a >>>> number of asterisks (1->any) to reflect its level in the hierarchy. This >>>> could be interpreted & displayed correctly in any tiddler that is formatted >>>> Markdown; TW has affordances for this -as does Github (.md is default >>>> format of ReadMe files there) and most web publishing & word processing >>>> apps you can find these days. Indeed, Saq indicated >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/BF2bQzugAAAJ> >>>> that a .md<->.tid converter would be no big deal (for him, at least :-) to >>>> create; this would enable not only "flattening" of a Stream in such manner, >>>> but also importing a .md file as presentable tiddler content. Now THAT >>>> would be cool, IMHO... But that's just me, so far. >>>> >>>> SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can >>>> you relate to the need i am expressing? Or have you found a good way >>>> "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a >>>> TW instance? If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow >>>> and/or code would be most appreciated. >>>> >>>> NB: I did learn in the course of that earlier thread about this >>>> Streams-to-text >>>> solution <https://szen.io/stream/> (thanks @Si for the pointer), but Saq >>>> warned >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/vlAZ_K4K63o/m/yXLAGwBIAQAJ> >>>> that the plugin (actually a microAddOn/Mod, according to author Jan) is not >>>> compatible with current version of Streams as it stands, though he believes >>>> that Jan is working on it. So i'm holding off on installing that for now, >>>> but would love to hear any news or user reports about that. >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2485302e-c5a4-4b3d-a9d8-46a367a2c65cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/-xTFWPwzq6g/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/60ad6bb8-4472-44a8-ac50-4b5e5a891720n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/60ad6bb8-4472-44a8-ac50-4b5e5a891720n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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