Hi Tobias Thank you for that. http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/ is very good, a nice clear articulation, and you've managed to make our rough-and-ready theme look pretty good.
The wider question of making a better place for the TiddlyWiki community is interesting. I agree that we're now nearly at the point where we can use our own technology in place of MediaWiki and Google Groups, and I believe that the community would benefit as it would allow us to present a much more unified, one stop shop for users. I have some thoughts in terms of how that community could work in the context of TiddlySpace, and I think TiddlyWorld fits in nicely. TiddlySpace is designed from the outset to support the activities of de-centralised, non-hierarchical communities. It reflects my belief that spam and community moderation are nightmares that no-one should have to deal with. I make the observation that conventional collaboration like bulletin boards really only seems to work well either if the group size is restricted to a small trusted group (like the TiddlyWiki google group) or is heavily moderated (like the Apple discussion boards). Instead of moderation, I like the idea of curation: members of a community using their taste and insight to arrange and maintain useful collections and taxonomies for their own benefit, and offering these collections to other users in order to get the benefits of the improvements that other people can help make. So, I envision each member of the community having their own space that showcases their own ideas and creations around TiddlyWiki. The community would evolve conventions to use special tags and tiddler titles to describe the information that they are offering. Then anyone could create aggregated showcases that pull together the material that they like from these showcase spaces. This would allow someone to create a starting point showcase for people interested in educational applications, while entirely independently someone else over there is creating a showcase for people interested in D&D gaming. Another scenario is someone coming along to ask a question of the community might, say, create a public tiddler that ends with an exclamation mark and is tagged "TiddlyWiki question". Members of the community who choose to could then subscribe to a pan-TiddlySpace search to see newly answered questions. They would then answer the question in their own space, tagging it back to the original question. The end user would see these answers offered to them under their own question in their own space, in a similar way to the "following" bubble at the moment. The basic principles are: * people only ever change or add content to their own space. Unlike MyBB, there are no shared spaces that can be abused by spammers or the antisocial * people can create derived works based on material published from other spaces, including rich filtering and sorting Not all of these features are yet implemented in TiddlySpace, but for the most part the server supports them, and it's a matter of working on the client side - which is much less of a bottleneck than the server. Indeed, part of the point of TiddlySpace having a big dumb, stateless server is to enable distributed innovation through multiple parties working independently on client side code. Finally, to confirm Måns' observation that TiddlySpace is a publishing platform; we took that focus early on because standalone TiddlyWiki files already have pretty much sewn up the use cases for keeping private data private. One particular story that I would like to eventually include in TiddlySpace is the idea of keeping my private stuff on a local TW file that syncs my public stuff up to TiddlySpace, so that I can get the best of both worlds. Cheers Jeremy On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi twgrp >> Here's the attempt, so far, and your input is very needed: >> http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/ > Good job - lots of things to think about!! >> please be sure to read the "Case Study" in the welcoming tiddler. > I am also digging MyBB's possibilities http://maans.bplaced.net/forum/ > and phpBB http://maans.bplaced.net/Forum/ - which is more mature and > has a looot of options regarding plugins and themes... However I think > we'll need a magic script which can import all posts from the Google > TWforums - and sort them in ways I can't even begin to imagine :-) ... > I wouldn't be satisfied to start from scratch in a MyBB forum.. >> So, now that you've seen it and know what it is about - and why; What needs >> to be done? Suggestions for a better name? What's crucial to make it work? >> How we engage people? > I think TiddlySpace is providing exactly what TwEnthusiasts need as a > framework to develop meaningfull and clear paths in the TiddlyVerse, > through collaboration and individual statements - "tiddlyworld" beeing > an attempt to do both, showroom is another way (maybe a little more > TWspace-centric?) ... > What often fascinates me about TiddlyWiki is the fact that many > different people with very different usercases share their knowledge > and knowhow and the results are beautiful yet the tools and their > contruction often mindboggling - and sometimes very simple. Just as > diverse as the personalities involved :-) > In a forseeable future I believe TiddlySpace can accommodate most of > the things MyBB and phpBB can -but better - and at the same time *BE* > the TiddlyVerse for those who want to participate and contribute. > However I think centralization and control are two phenomenons > shunned by many TwEnthusiasts - and the personal copy - offline or > online (private webhost or on TiddlySpot) is the other (necessary) > side of the coin... TiddlySpace might teach us to *publish* material > when it's ready and deliver the collaborative tools needed to discover > what has been published by others, that we might need... >> Please state your tiddlyspace username here so I can include you as a member. > I'm not sure how I can contribute directly - however you are welcome > to add me as a member to tiddlyworld. > My username is: maans > > Good job - Thanks for sharing good ideas and a starting point for new > collaborative accomplishments.. > > Cheers Måns Mårtensson > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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