> > I've spent much of last week trying to figure out TW and TiddlySpace. Now > I've got more or less what I want and mean to start using the space for real > (I've used up my 'learning' time budget). There are unresolved issues > though, which I'd like to list here, in the hope it helps you and me. >
Terrific, thanks for sharing your experiences. > Thanks to everyone who's been helping out. I had been looking for the right > software for ages, and when I chanced on TW it smelt like the holy grail. I > love it from the open standards to the nonlinearity. It's genius. Getting to > grips with it was harder than I hoped, but you guys really helped out. > > > My 'use case': computer-literate but web-dev-illiterate scientist wants to > set up a blog/mind dump to share with colleagues who may occasionally > contribute. Prepared to invest some time into setting up; but for the other > users everything needs to be as plug-n-play as possible. > > OK, that's not so far away from what I had in mind when I first created TiddlyWiki - I wanted to be able to maintain a personal public brain dump that was a first class citizen of the blogosphere but didn't constrain me to writing on a chronological ribbon. > Where it's at: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/645/atspace.png > > Looking good, modulo some layout issues :) > You see the neui-em theme with modified params, the QuickEdit toolbar and > calendar from TiddlyTools, twmath, and the comments plugin. My main work > computer has a 800x480px screen so the interface needs to tango with that; > using proportional font sizes etc. > > Next up: what I'm not happy with yet. This may include stuff I just don't > know personally, and more general issues; and it repeats some things from > other threads I've started. Importance is given by the number of *. As this > is a long list of whining I'd like to assure you that I realise stuff > doesn't happen by magic and that I probably misunderstand half of this; I > appreciate everyone's efforts! > > Please see if you can answer any of these, or point at answers or (TS in > particular) stuff-in-development: > > TW in general: > *1) Can I have internal (tiddler) links looking different from external > ones, Wikipedia-style? > Yes, that's what is supposed to happen, with both the stock TiddlyWiki and TiddlySpace styles. Tiddly links appear as bold text with a background hover, and ordinary external linkes appear as conventional blue underlined text. > *2) What is a 'story'? > It's the stack of opened tiddlers that makes up the display. > *3) Can I get the calendar to size better with the MainMenu? (see > screenshot) > It looks as though reducing the font size of the calendar might be the way to accomplish that. > **4) I get the comment box with the line > <div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 > textCols:3'></div><div class='comments' macro='comments textRows:1 > textCols:3'></div> > in the ViewTemplate part of NeUIemTheme. I'd prefer to have the comment box > in a slider, so that upon opening a tiddler, there would be: > * a closed slider if there are 0 comments > * an open slider if there are >=1 comments > * no slider at all if the tiddler is tagged 'noComments' > I'll leave this one for someone else as I'm not super familiar with the comment plugin. > **5) It's cool to have the tagChooser thing in the edit view. However, I'd > like it to only show a set list of tags (which I'd e.g. list in a tiddler). > This to quickly choose between, say, 'sports', 'cooking', 'politics' but not > 'systemConfig' etc. > I dimly remember Eric Shulman having a plugin that does that. > **6) It would rock to have a 'create SVG tiddler' button which sets > server.content-type to image/svg+xml automatically (or a more elaborate > version with automated loading to and saving from e.g. SVG Edit) [see > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/edd60994f5c1ec8?hl=en > ] > > I believe Jon has answered this one. > TiddlySpace specific: > ***7) I'd really like a way to automatically keep the collaborators up to > date without needing them to browser-login to the space each time. Google > tells me that password-authenticated RSS feed systems exist. It would rock > if TS had this. > There is already some basic RSS support, and it it is intended to improve it, including feeds of private data. > **8) Since I want to use this system seriously to store half of my brain, I > have to wonder where my data really are. How are they stored? As in: > ownership, structure, security? Could they some day just be gone for good? > You can look inside TiddlyWeb and see how things are stored. Nowadays we tend to use a database for storage, but it is possible to just store everything in static files. But I think the better mitigation to your concern is for individuals to be able to take control and make their own backups that they can verify for themselves. Not that they *have* to do it themselves, but that they can choose to do so so as to have more calm confidence. The easy way to make a backup in TiddlySpace is to download a TiddlyWiki file containing your data. For example, navigating to this URL will automatically download a copy of my space: http://jermolene.tiddlyspace.com/?download=backup.html **8bis) Relatedly, how can I make a 'private-friendly' local backup? I think > this is critical no matter the guarantees you have for storage on your side. > When I save the html file and load it, I can only see the public tiddlers. > Here's a variant URL that will just include private tiddlers: http://jermolene.tiddlyspace.com/bags/jermolene_private/tiddlers.wiki?download=backup.html > *9) Username/space issues: > 9a> It would be good if people could login with just an openID (if listed > as members of the space). > Can they not login with openid already? > 9b> Alternatively, allow subscription to TS without the creation of a > space. The most obvious choice of username for my collaborators is something > like GivennameSurname, but they may not like for there to be a > GivennameSurname.tiddlyspace.com website around. > Noted. > 9c> I was in such a situation myself and deleted that first space (by > including deleted), but (1) it's still there (I suppose it'll be purged at > some point) and (2) I didn't set up a SiteIcon then, meaning I'm now stuck > with the stick figure avatar for my username. It might be good to decouple > user profile management a bit more from space management. > Right. I don't think the system should let you delete your home space to avoid these situations. There's been a lot of debate about the way that TiddlySpace conflates users and spaces. It is intended to simplify things by reducing the number of different types of entity that users must encounter. > *10) Undemocratic though it be, I'm not really happy with how all members > of the space must have equal rights. It would be nicer if the 'owner' of the > space could grant or withold rights. Consider that my other members will > likely not invest much time in learning TW and so deletion accidents are a > danger; one can think of plenty more unhappy scenarios. > The equal rights thing is fundamentally also driven by the needs of simplicity: if we introduced the idea of administrators or owners or privileged people, then those levels and privileges would be stuff that would need to be managed by someone. In my experience, people struggle to maintain that stuff effectively. Over and over again in TiddlySpace, particularly around security and sharing, we've elected to go for a much simpler design than conventional systems. For example, many systems that manage items of information allow you to right click on an item and select an access control list that lets you see who can access that item, and what they can do with it. File shares, sharepoint and exchange, all let people work like that. However, when I've seen how those systems are used in the wild I've found that people almost never use that fine grained control effectively. So, TiddlySpace proposes a very simple model for sharing: - co-creation for for small trusted groups through joint space membership - co-creation for larger, less trusted groups through social connections between spaces So, if you trust someone, you'd invite them into a shared space to collaborate. If you don't fully trust them, they'd work in their own space, and you'd work in your space, with links and references between them. > *11) Can I change the default 'private'/'public' icons to something else? > Yes, you can just create a local image tiddler with the same name. Cheers Jeremy > > Thank you for your patience! > > ~P > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<tiddlywiki%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
