Throwing in one more idea: The ability to "stick a filter on the top of you wiki". Probably usually the filter be a tag. The "sticking" means a focus into a sub-world of your domain.
For example, if I have a wiki about cars, at some point I may want to set a "Subaru" filter in the background, i.e. today I'm working only on Subaru, so append tag:subaru to all my searches / tag browsing and maybe also automatically apply the tag "Subaru" onto all the new tiddlers I create. On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Dani Zobin <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not aware of a plugin that currently allows this functionality. Do > enlighten me if there is! > > And by the way, Udo, I love your search plugin very much. It does exactly > what I expected a search to do in the Tidlly environment ! > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Dani Zobin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> A word of introduction: I came to Tiddly recently, during my search of a >> better tool to organize my content, which is usually text related >> to diverse areas. >> So this is what I'm after more than everything: effective ways to organize >> unstructured content. >> I basically feed very good about Tiddly for this aim. >> >> And to the topic. >> >> I'm sure many of us are coming originally from a background of folders >> and files to organize their content. >> Than, one day you figure out: this piece of content is related to more >> than only one category. And my data model (directories tree) is not >> expressive enough to reflect this fact. >> Than tags step in - you can tag a piece of content by many tags. If it >> only belongs to one - than great, tag it with only one tag. And here we have >> a more expressive data model. Great. >> >> But (!) on the way we lost something important . Hierarchical structure >> hides from us the vast majority of our content, exposing on each step only a >> small part of relevant content. This follows one of our biggest natural >> cognitive limitations: *attention*. >> >> *Tags, in the traditional form,fail to do so*. You have all your tags at >> one big pile. >> >> The idea of tags cloud tries to handle this problem, by showing the most >> used tags bigger. But this is a statistical categorization, not conceptual >> So here is a claim: we need a way to powerfully categorize tags themselves >> as well. And, be able to select them by categories whenever needing to >> specify a tag (when searching by tag or >> when applying a tag) >> >> I'll suggest here an initial list of requirements for a feature that >> follows the thoughts above >> >> *- Be able to categorize existing tags, by applying other tags (already >> possible in Tiddly) [example: apply the tag "vehicle" on the tag "car"]* >> *- When applying a tag, be able to create a new tag under an existing tag >> [example: create the tag "subaru" under the tag "car" (that himself is >> tagged by vehicle). Later, we'll be able to apply also "Japanese products" >> on "subaru" but in the time of creation it will be probably apropriate to >> limit categorization to one parent tag]* >> * >> * >> *In two situations we need to specify tags, and this search for tags: >> when applying a tag, when filtering by a tag* >> *In this situation we need to be able to search for tags, exactly as >> we're searching for content. Namely: by textual search - i.e. auto complete >> (a plugin for this by Udo already exists) and by tags* >> *So if I want to search info about a car that I recently saw and don't >> remember the brand, I will type (or better be also able to use a GUI): >> tags:car [here a dropdown will appear with all tags that are themselves >> tagged by car, i.e. brands of cars] and I can now choose: only filter by the >> main category - car, or continue and choose a subtag: Subaru. * >> * >> * >> *Whenever a Tidler is tagged by a tag, it will be automatically tagged >> also by all parent tags. So when tagging a tiddler by Subaru, it'll be >> automatically tagged also by "car" and by "Japanese product". (This can be >> implemented at the time of tagging, or at the time of retrieval. Should be >> transparent to the user.) * >> * >> * >> Some more general thoughts: >> >> Personally I feel that rarely more than 2 levels of hierarchy will be >> needed. Maybe 3. But this 2-3 level are absolutely needed. I felt this need >> many times since I started to insert content into my Tiddly some week ago >> >> My guess is that many may not feel strongly the need for the above, >> because they don't use so much tags. >> However, in my opinion, there is a great chance, that those people would >> use much more tags, IF they had an efficient way to order and retrieve >> them. >> And more tags used is more captured meaning, and better abilities of >> retrieval. I.e. more chances that you'll actually use what you wrote. >> >> Hey guys, I hope for a positive resonance, for this post of mine. >> I feel this is a key point, go ahead and share you thoughts. >> >> Dani >> >> P.S >> >> Generally I'm a web developer, and even if more server side oriented, I >> have some experience also with JS and JQuery. >> If my excitement with Tiddlly will continue to be at high level it >> currently is, there is a good chance that I'll jump one day into the wagon >> of Tiddly development. >> I'm not sure however how soon my time will allow this >> So for now I'm throwing this idea here into the group, in order for it to >> start getting feedback and resonating with other peoples minds. I'll for >> sure be very glad if someone likes it enough to implement >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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