Hello, I second these ideas , the only Plugin that show this kind of tags order might be RelatedTiddlerPlugin form Eric, but it only show the manually tagged tiddlers, without the wishes of preordered/prefilter hiarchical Tags ...
Regards On 2 Mai, 00:37, Dani Zobin <danizo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Throwing in one more idea: > > The ability to "stick a filter on the top of you wiki". Probably usually the > filter be a tag. > The "sticking" means a focus into a sub-world of your domain. > > For example, if I have a wiki about cars, at some point I may want to set a > "Subaru" filter in the background, i.e. today I'm working only on Subaru, so > append tag:subaru to all my searches / tag browsing and maybe also > automatically apply the tag "Subaru" onto all the new tiddlers I create. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Dani Zobin <danizo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not aware of a plugin that currently allows this functionality. Do > > enlighten me if there is! > > > And by the way, Udo, I love your search plugin very much. It does exactly > > what I expected a search to do in the Tidlly environment ! > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Dani Zobin <danizo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hi > > >> A word of introduction: I came to Tiddly recently, during my search of a > >> better tool to organize my content, which is usually text related > >> to diverse areas. > >> So this is what I'm after more than everything: effective ways to organize > >> unstructured content. > >> I basically feed very good about Tiddly for this aim. > > >> And to the topic. > > >> I'm sure many of us are coming originally from a background of folders > >> and files to organize their content. > >> Than, one day you figure out: this piece of content is related to more > >> than only one category. And my data model (directories tree) is not > >> expressive enough to reflect this fact. > >> Than tags step in - you can tag a piece of content by many tags. If it > >> only belongs to one - than great, tag it with only one tag. And here we > >> have > >> a more expressive data model. Great. > > >> But (!) on the way we lost something important . Hierarchical structure > >> hides from us the vast majority of our content, exposing on each step only > >> a > >> small part of relevant content. This follows one of our biggest natural > >> cognitive limitations: *attention*. > > >> *Tags, in the traditional form,fail to do so*. You have all your tags at > >> one big pile. > > >> The idea of tags cloud tries to handle this problem, by showing the most > >> used tags bigger. But this is a statistical categorization, not conceptual > >> So here is a claim: we need a way to powerfully categorize tags themselves > >> as well. And, be able to select them by categories whenever needing to > >> specify a tag (when searching by tag or > >> when applying a tag) > > >> I'll suggest here an initial list of requirements for a feature that > >> follows the thoughts above > > >> *- Be able to categorize existing tags, by applying other tags (already > >> possible in Tiddly) [example: apply the tag "vehicle" on the tag "car"]* > >> *- When applying a tag, be able to create a new tag under an existing tag > >> [example: create the tag "subaru" under the tag "car" (that himself is > >> tagged by vehicle). Later, we'll be able to apply also "Japanese products" > >> on "subaru" but in the time of creation it will be probably apropriate to > >> limit categorization to one parent tag]* > >> * > >> * > >> *In two situations we need to specify tags, and this search for tags: > >> when applying a tag, when filtering by a tag* > >> *In this situation we need to be able to search for tags, exactly as > >> we're searching for content. Namely: by textual search - i.e. auto complete > >> (a plugin for this by Udo already exists) and by tags* > >> *So if I want to search info about a car that I recently saw and don't > >> remember the brand, I will type (or better be also able to use a GUI): > >> tags:car [here a dropdown will appear with all tags that are themselves > >> tagged by car, i.e. brands of cars] and I can now choose: only filter by > >> the > >> main category - car, or continue and choose a subtag: Subaru. * > >> * > >> * > >> *Whenever a Tidler is tagged by a tag, it will be automatically tagged > >> also by all parent tags. So when tagging a tiddler by Subaru, it'll be > >> automatically tagged also by "car" and by "Japanese product". (This can be > >> implemented at the time of tagging, or at the time of retrieval. Should be > >> transparent to the user.) * > >> * > >> * > >> Some more general thoughts: > > >> Personally I feel that rarely more than 2 levels of hierarchy will be > >> needed. Maybe 3. But this 2-3 level are absolutely needed. I felt this need > >> many times since I started to insert content into my Tiddly some week ago > > >> My guess is that many may not feel strongly the need for the above, > >> because they don't use so much tags. > >> However, in my opinion, there is a great chance, that those people would > >> use much more tags, IF they had an efficient way to order and retrieve > >> them. > >> And more tags used is more captured meaning, and better abilities of > >> retrieval. I.e. more chances that you'll actually use what you wrote. > > >> Hey guys, I hope for a positive resonance, for this post of mine. > >> I feel this is a key point, go ahead and share you thoughts. > > >> Dani > > >> P.S > > >> Generally I'm a web developer, and even if more server side oriented, I > >> have some experience also with JS and JQuery. > >> If my excitement with Tiddlly will continue to be at high level it > >> currently is, there is a good chance that I'll jump one day into the wagon > >> of Tiddly development. > >> I'm not sure however how soon my time will allow this > >> So for now I'm throwing this idea here into the group, in order for it to > >> start getting feedback and resonating with other peoples minds. I'll for > >> sure be very glad if someone likes it enough to implement -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. 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