>> The interesting pattern for me would therefore be to explode the >> TiddlyWiki file into separate files for each tiddler, stored alongside >> the associated file attachments. > > Could you explain a bit more.Do you mean separate files for each tiddler?
Yes, so there would be the following differences from "classic" TiddlyWiki: - On save changes, the text of each modified tiddler would be saved to a separate file in the same directory as the HTML file. The metadata like modified date would still be stored in the TiddlyWiki file as usual - When the file loads, it would load the tiddler store from the metadata, meaning that all the tiddlers would exist with the correct metadata, but that the content of the tiddler wouldn't be available until it was loaded from the external file. The tricky bit would be to trigger the loading of the text of a tiddler just as it is first displayed or accessed. This is slightly easier than the server-based lazy loading situation because the local file APIs are synchronous. The point is that once the tiddlers exist as individual files, they can take advantage of DropBox's revision history storage. > Maybe you could make a demo? I'm keen to test. It was one of the modes of operation I was exploring with TiddlyWiki 5. I haven't done any work on it since then. I believe that Eric has a set of plugins that achieves a similar effect, however. Cheers Jeremy > best wishes > > Alex > >>The individual files would lend >> themselves to DropBox's own facilities for managing revisions and >> sharing with other users. The TiddlyWiki file would maintain pointers >> to the tiddler files (perhaps allowing the inclusion of individual >> tiddler files, or entire directories of files). Lazy loading could be >> used to defer loading individual tiddler files until required. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Mario, >>> >>> For me i think the advantage is that there is less complexity. >>> * closer to using traditional TW - less learning to do. No including >>> spaces, less plugins >>> * faster - i know the lag is small on TiddlySpace, but letting dropbox >>> sync in the background is quicker >>> * safer - i've lost data in TiddlySpace - don't know why, but with >>> autosave and backups with dropbox I feel safe. >>> >>> !! Observations on TiddlySpace >>> >>> I followed your links to the April1111 tiddlyspace and the >>> manefesto2. And tried to respond. I followed the spaces and replied to >>> the tiddlers - but i don't think i got far. There is not a lot of >>> activity there, indicating -- to me - that despite huge enthusiasm, >>> the system is still not working for its intended purpose - as a >>> vehicle for social discourse. I found it hard to read. >>> >>> !! A really fast note-taking system >>> >>> I liked Blane's comments - something like " i want a really fast >>> note-taking system" : this is what I want too. >>> But there seem a lack of discourse like activity from these spaces >>> purposed for TS metadiscourse [1]. Part of it - for me - is that there >>> is too much information and perspectives for me to process. After all, >>> TW is not my job (open to offers though) and I can't afford to spend >>> the time getting involved with the TS team more than I do. Many issues >>> are complex, i'd have to learn a lot before i could understand the >>> discourse and make a contirbution. But I do use TW for notemaking in >>> meetings, and exploring and developing ideas. >>> >>> !! Lots of Tweets for Dropbox and TW >>> >>> I use Tweatdeck to read twitter feeds. I have a search for TiddlyWiki, >>> and there are many messages talking about dropbox and TW. I remembered >>> Udo include plugin from way back, now we have dropbox i think it comes >>> into its own. Using a dropbox also helps if you want to share images >>> and other files - pdfs (I know they are bad ) but lots of accademic >>> papers are in this format. You can even host video in dropbox and use >>> Erics media player plugin. Its good when the vids you want to share >>> need to be private and you don't want to use vimeo or YouTube. TW and >>> dropbox is getting more attention that TS at the moment, so I thought >>> it would be good to investigate. >>> >>> RSS reader works when the TW is local too. JayFresh wrote a nice >>> plugin that Bauwe discovered - it makes tiddlers from RSS feeds - very >>> nice. >>> >>> In terms of privacy and security in the context of teamwork, i like >>> the 'feel' of sharing a dropbox. You actually have the other person's >>> TW in a local file, so you could change it. I think putting the >>> emphasis on the human side of collaboration - establishing conventions >>> though experimentation in notemaking and sharing - is good. Perhaps >>> the interest in technology and UI of TiddlySpace is secondary to >>> working with notes - sketch ideas, half formed, irregular, on the edge >>> of having any meaning, yet being a spark for a memory. I >>> >>> Following a Skype with Bauwe, I discovered that his first trade is as >>> a wood worker specialising in boat construction. He's refered to TW as >>> 'good material' , referring to the TW as something with a form that >>> can be constantly manipulated and formed. I liked this, and after he >>> asked me if i'd ever made something from wood i answered 'no'. But >>> later that day, i had do cut a tree down in my garden. As I cut it to >>> so that it could fit into the recycling bin, i noticed there were >>> different types of branch and twig. I was soon sorting them, and fresh >>> from thinking about TW with Bauwe, thought about TW while making a >>> kind of house / sculpture for my daughter. >>> >>> Anyway, to cut a long story short, i too like the view that "TW is >>> good material" - the playing with it while making non-linear notes >>> becomes part of the creative process, but the ideas must have value. >>> >>> !! Small Tools and Backdoors >>> I think TW is a very good small tool in a collection small tools - >>> (gmail chat worked well with dropbox tw) last night, the google >>> groups, e-mail, twitter, rss. TiddlySpace provides options for sharing >>> text and collaboration, for me it feels too big. Word, E-mail >>> attachments, spreadsheets are a part of my life as well as TW. Other >>> people use them, I can't get people to try TW. I have got people to >>> share dropbox though. They might end up using TW via a "Dropbox >>> backdoor. >>> >>> ALex >>> >>> [1] Metadiscourse note: I think that it needs to be acknowledged that >>> there is a variety of communication channels. I think metadiscourse is >>> messy and is distributed in many contexts and activities - it has to >>> be for it to be successful otherwise it just reflects the media from >>> which it is crafted. If the metadiscourse's context is about the tool >>> for the discourse, then there are too many openings for errors - only >>> preventable by using increasingly dense language and hypertext. >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2011 07:40, PMario <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Alex, >>>> >>>> What would be the advantage of dropbox over TiddlySpace [1], which is >>>> designed for TW collaboration? >>>> >>>> -m >>>> [1] http://tiddlyspace.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeremy Ruston >> mailto:[email protected] >> http://www.tiddlywiki.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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