Hi Vincent, Observations, but no explanations:
Both of your Dropbox test files [1], [2] do show the 'C' and 'E' buttons when used over http (FF16). If I look at my file [3] over http, I only see the 'C' button. The only difference is that in [2] the buttons "touch" each other while in [1] there is 1 pixel spacing. Trying to get the files locally I observed something strange (it has nothing to do with the buttons, but I want to mention it). Normally right-clicking the page and selecting 'View Page Source' opens my configured editor (Notepad++), but with both your files the standard FF window with source text opens. This does NOT happen with my original Dropbox file [3] and other Dropbox files in my public Dropbox folder. Anyway, viewing the files locally, does show ONLY the 'C' button (FF16). If I use (installed) Safari v5.1.7, I only see the 'C' button (local and over http; local as if the plugins are disabled: small table without thick border lines). If I use Google Chrome portable (v22.0.1229.94) and Opera portable (12.02), I only see the 'C' button (local and over http). Cheers, Ton [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143--01.html [2] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143--02.html [3] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2638511/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143.html On Nov 3, 5:50 am, Vincent Yeh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yakov, > > Cookie history is a very good point! But my FF still works normally after > removing cookies, and my Opera does not have a cookie history because I > only installed it a couple of days ago. > > The same folder issue is cleared as the same file still works at another > folder. > > However, from your screenshot I did suspect something and made two files in > my Dropbox's public folder for testing, please try and see if one of them > works. > > 1. > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143--01.html > 2. > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143--02.html > > Vincent > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 3, 2012 6:39:20 AM UTC+8, Yakov wrote: > > > Well, first if you can reproduce the problem over http, that's already > > kind of an option. Next, where do you place Ton's TW? In the same folder as > > your dev TWs? I mean, although that's unlikely, there can be some forgotten > > cookie-option (may be you renamed something like "enable TWted" and didn't > > accounted that somewhere in your code, but as your browsers already have > > those cookies with old names and values, everything works), could it be so? > > > пятница, 2 ноября 2012 г., 19:38:08 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh написал: > > >> Ton & Yakov, > > >> It seems to me that you are facing the same problem, but I am afraid this > >> is not an easy one for me (maybe easy for someone else) because Ton's MTC > >> file works normally with my FF16.02 / Win7x64 (and Opera 12.02 / Win7x64 as > >> well, see attachment). Well, to be precise it works only if saved locally. > >> It has the same problem if opened over the internet. > > >> I have no idea how to debug under such a situation. > >> Any suggestions? > > >> Vincent > > >> On Friday, November 2, 2012 10:22:24 PM UTC+8, TonG wrote: > > >>> Hi Vincent, > > >>> I made a MTC as before (Win7 x64, FF16, TW v2.6.6, TWTable v1.4.3, > >>> TWted v1.4.3), see [1] > >>> After reloading the backstage button is present, but with a table only > >>> the 'C' button can be seen. The 'E' button can't be seen so edit is > >>> not possible. > > >>> FYI: The latest "combined" version TableEdit v1.3.12 does also work > >>> with the plugins mentioned in my last post. > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Ton > > >>> [1]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2638511/MTC_TW266_TWTable143_TWted143.html > > >>> On Nov 2, 11:03 am, Yakov <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Ok, I found out what's the problem: it's with CSS -- the C button > >>> hovers > >>> > over the E button, so it's practically "invisible", see the screenshot > >>> of > >>> > inspection (it stays in the latest versions). > > >>> > Also, TWtable + TWted add unnecessary scroller to every table. This > >>> may be > >>> > connected with the following thing (can be seen on the same > >>> screenshot): > >>> > the additional thicker border is only at the top, bottom and left, but > >>> not > >>> > at the right; though, inspection shows that the wrapper has normal > >>> width > >>> > (not wider than the table). > > >>> > Take you time, Vincent! We'll be patient :) > > >>> > пятница, 2 ноября 2012 г., 11:47:06 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh > >>> написал: > > >>> > > Yakov & Ton, > > >>> > > Thank you both very much for the feedback and suggestions. Ton your > >>> test > >>> > > file helped me quickly identified the cause to the missing backstage > >>> > > problem: ignorance of shadowed tiddlers in TWtable. It is now fixed > >>> in the > >>> > > next release (see below). It seems to fix the "blocking > >>> saveChanges()" > >>> > > issue as well (Ton please help verify this), but I am not sure if > >>> that also > >>> > > fixed Yakov's problem that TWtable+TWted combo don't work in Win7 > >>> x64. > >>> > > Yakov please try and tell me the results. > > >>> > > Other things will have to wait, as I must devote my time into other > >>> things > >>> > > for a while. > > >>> > > TWtable v1.4.3 > > >>> > > - (min)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWtable.min > >>> > > - (regular)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWtable > > >>> > > - Bug fix for missing backstage and blocking of saveChanges(). > >>> > > - The missing backstage happens for TW files that start > >>> with the > >>> > > default GettingStarted tiddler or any other shadowed > >>> tiddlers, > >>> > > because TWtable does not touch any shadowed tiddlers. It > >>> doesn't > >>> > > even try to find it, which resulted in a null value for a > >>> > > shadowed tiddler and then an exception thrown when TWtable > >>> is > >>> > > retrieving its title (to find its containing DOM element). > >>> If this happened > >>> > > when loading the DefaultTiddler then the backstage, which > >>> comes > >>> > > up after that, would have got no chance to load up. > >>> > > - I did not notice this because it did not happen to my own > >>> > > minimal test file, which does not start with any of the > >>> shadowed tiddlers. > >>> > > *But this should have happened since transclusion > >>> > > synchronization was implemented. Why it did not? Or it > >>> did?* > >>> > > - Some more bug fixes for sorting with SortableGridPlugin and > >>> > > TableSortingPlugin. > >>> > > - These bugs were partly introduced in codes to fix > >>> rows/columns > >>> > > and the code splitting. *Hope there are not much left*... > > >>> > > - Changed back to normal font size for table caption. > > >>> > > TWted v1.4.3 > > >>> > > - (min)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWted.min > >>> > > - (regular)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWted > >>> > > - Set default text-alignment of a table cell to inherit. > >>> > > - Removed some dead codes. > > >>> > > TWtcalc v0.7.3 > > >>> > > - (min)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWtcalc.min > >>> > > - (regular)http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWtcalc > >>> > > - Defined ROWS() and COLS()/COLUMNS() functions, which counts > >>> the > >>> > > number of rows/columns within a range of cells. > >>> > > - Bugs fixed for COLUMN()/COL() and COLUMNA()/COLA() > >>> functions. > >>> > > - These bugs were introduced in codes supporting absolute > >>> > > references. > >>> > > - Bug fixed with ROUND() function. > >>> > > - It was returning NaN when the argument results in 0. > > >>> > > Have Fun! > >>> > > Vincent > > >>> > > On Friday, November 2, 2012 2:02:38 AM UTC+8, TonG wrote: > > >>> > >> Hi Vincent, > > >>> > >> I had not much time to test the new versions, but I am using > >>> version > >>> > >> 1.3.10 daily with much pleasure. Editing tables is so easy now; it > >>> > >> saves me a lot of time. > > >>> > >> First test with the split versions was not a success (Win7 x64, > >>> FF16): > >>> > >> I used the Minimal Test Case made for TableEdit v 1.3.9 (TW v2.6.5 > >>> > >> with config.options.chkAutoSave = true; in a systemConfig tagged > >>> > >> tiddler), added TWTable v1.4.2-1 and TWted v1.4.2, tagged them > >>> > >> systemConfig and deleted TableEdit v1.3.9. > >>> > >> At that moment I realized autosave was not working (I cannot recall > >>> > >> exactly when it stopped), but manual saving was not possible > >>> either. > >>> > >> With help of the bookmarklet "Save current storeArea contents to > >>> > >> clipboard" from TiddlyTools I could restore the TW but now the > >>> > >> backstage button had disappeared. > >>> > >> Anyway, I could edit my sample table. > >>> > >> May be its a coincidence, but both problems (autosave/backstage > >>> > >> button) appeared in earlier versions of TableEdit (before the > >>> split). > > >>> > >> So I started from scratch and checked if autosave worked after > >>> every > >>> > >> change. > >>> > >> * empty TW v2.6.6 > >>> > >> * Added systemConfig tagged tiddler with config.options.chkAutoSave > >>> = > >>> > >> true; > >>> > >> * Added TWtable tagged with systemConfig > >>> > >> Up till then everything was OK, but after reloading the TW the > >>> > >> backstage button had disappeared (the same in Chrome 17 portable) > >>> > >> * Added a tiddler with a table. > >>> > >> Table could be edited. > >>> > >> See MTC [1] > > >>> > >> I did not do any further tests. > > >>> > >> For your information, the following plugins work together with > >>> > >> TableEdit v1.3.10: > >>> > >> DropDownMenuPlugin 2.1 > >>> > >> GotoPlugin 1.9.2 > >>> > >> ImageSizePlugin 1.2.3 > >>> > >> ImportTiddlersPlugin 4.6.2 > >>> > >> InlineJavascriptPlugin 1.9.6 > >>> > >> ListFiltrPlugin 0.9.1 Beta > >>> > >> NestedSlidersPlugin 2.4.9 > >>> > >> QuickEditPlugin 2.4.4 > >>> > >> QuickNotePlugin 2.1.0 > >>> > >> QuickOpenTagPlugin 3.0.1a > >>> > >> RenameTagsPlugin 3.0 ($Rev: 5501 $) > >>> > >> SaveAndReloadMacro 1.0 > >>> > >> SearchOptionsPlugin 3.0.10 > >>> > >> SimpleMessagePlugin 0.1 > >>> > >> TabEditPlugin 0.32 > >>> > >> TableOfContentsPlugin 2.4.3 > >>> > >> TagSearchPlugin 1.2.0 (2010-10-10) > >>> > >> TagsplorerMacro 1.3.3 > >>> > >> TiddlerTweakerPlugin 2.4.5 > >>> > >> TiddlersBarPluginMP 1.2.5 > >>> > >> TiddlyFileImportr 0.2.7 > >>> > >> ToggleTagPlugin 3.1.0a > >>> > >> YourSearchPlugin 2.1.6 (2012-04-19) > > >>> > >> Note: there are 2 search plugins installed. I can switch between > >>> them, > >>> > >> but mainly use YourSearchPlugin. Both worked together with > >>> TableEdit. > > >>> > >> Cheers, > > >>> > >> Ton > > >>> > >> [1] > >>>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2638511/MTC_TW266_TWTable142-1_TWted142.html > > >>> > >> On Nov 1, 6:40 pm, Yakov <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >> > Vincent, > > >>> > >> > > Thanks a lot > > ... > > read more >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
