Eric, thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Tagglytagging and treeview - I love them both and do use them extensively.
They are key 'features' in most of my TW's.
And I fully agree with your starting comment that "human beings organize
things [not tags]" and that my proposal would (optionally) force thought
into tagging. But while taggly and treeview do organize tags, they don't
address the the issues that I bring up which is more about *managing *tags
and, particularly, not being forced to learn code operations to do this.
My overall hope is that TW would be easier to user for laymen
("non-coders"). Not everyone is a layman, especially not here, which is why
I suggest this as an optional feature.
BTW, do you have any thoughts on the "closely related issue" I describe? Ie
that tags could be field arrays instead so that you don't have to deal with
several concepts and learn specific operations for them?
Again, thanks for yout thoughts.
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 4:15:12 PM UTC+2, Eric Weir wrote:
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> I may be off-base here---my immediate reaction when I started reading was
> to say what I'm going to say, but I kept thinking, "We'll maybe he'll
> eventually get to something that that would not be relevant to"---but tags
> are not magic. Tags don't organize things. Human beings organize things.
> And they have to organize tags, too. I'm suspecting---and I don't mean to
> give offense here, just guessing at what's going on---that you're not
> putting much thought into your tagging---into developing a tagging
> *system.*
>
> To precisely that end I have found taggly tagging to be *extremely*
> helpful. As you may know, in taggly tagging, since all tags are tiddlers
> anyway, tags can be tagged, too. That allows you to put your tags into a
> hierarchical structure. Which I suspect would in time take care of the
> problem you're experiencing, which, for all the words you put into
> describing it, I take to be simply the problem of "many tags."
>
> I have found the combination of tw and tt *extremely* helpful in
> organizing my thinking about what I can assure you are extremely
> complicated subjects. The really cool thing is that you do not have to have
> your structure set up in advance. It can evolve as your thinking evolves.
> So you just start with whatever categories seem most appropriate initially.
> As your understanding of the subject develops, the tags you started with
> are likely to come to seem inadequate. Of course you will need additional
> tags, but some early ones may need to be revised. And tags can be edited!
> Maybe some will need to be renamed. Or maybe several can be grouped
> together under a common tag. As you continue the tagging structure will get
> clearer and your use of tags more discriminating. But it can continue
> evolving indefinitely.
>
> I use the tw treeview blackicity tw developed by Morris Gray. I think I
> added tt to it. With it I have four ways to locate a tiddler---by tags, in
> the tree structure---which is itself a graphical representation of the
> tagging structure---in the time line and/or alphabetical list in the right
> hand column, or by searching. And as in a standard tw, an open tag tiddler
> will display a list of all the tiddlers tagged with the tag. Lots of ways
> to find tiddlers. Lots of ways represent the structure of your tags. Lots
> of support for thinking about complex topics.
>
> Again, I may have misunderstood your problem completely. I hope not and I
> hope this helps. [Maybe *it* will just confuse you more.]
>
> Regards,
>
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> Eric Weir
> Decatur, GA
> [email protected] <javascript:>
>
> "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are
> full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence."
>
> - Charles Bukowski
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