On May 17, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Mat wrote:
> Tagglytagging and treeview - I love them both and do use them extensively.
> They are key 'features' in most of my TW's.
Glad to hear you have found them useful, too, Mat.
> And I fully agree with your starting comment that "human beings organize
> things [not tags]" and that my proposal would (optionally) force thought into
> tagging. But while taggly and treeview do organize tags, they don't address
> the the issues that I bring up which is more about managing tags and,
> particularly, not being forced to learn code operations to do this.
This is an area in which I think "taste" and "work habits" may enter, not
inappropriately, into our judgments about what makes for efficiency in
software. I personally find taggly tagging sufficient for managing tags, but
then "managing tags" may mean something different to me than it does to you.
> My overall hope is that TW would be easier to user for laymen ("non-coders").
> Not everyone is a layman, especially not here, which is why I suggest this as
> an optional feature.
That was one part of your post that I didn't comment on---tw's unfriendliness
to non-coding users. I am fortunate that I got a lot of help from the coders
here and gradually developed a tw setup that suits most of my needs very
efficiently. But I must have had tw for a couple years before I even began to
get a faint clue about how I make meaningful use of it, and it was quite a
while, and took a lot of then-patient hand-holding, for me to get to a place
where it was actually useful.
TW is extremely versatile, and for that reason very powerful. But for that
reason exploiting any of its seemingly innumerable capabilities can require
more than a little skill. So some of the difficulty for non-coders is inherent.
But it could be a lot easier than it is. In fact, there has been almost no
effort to develop the kind of documentation that could help non-coding users
get to a level modest competence with tw.
> BTW, do you have any thoughts on the "closely related issue" I describe? Ie
> that tags could be field arrays instead so that you don't have to deal with
> several concepts and learn specific operations for them?
No I don't. My immediate reaction is that "field arrays" sounds kind of
databasey, and I have never thought databases might be helpful in the way I
described tw with tt being helpful to me. Rather than allowing structure to
evolve organically with one's thinking about a subject, as I understand them
databases pretty much require you to have the structure in place before you
start using them.
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