If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save, but on occasion, after a period and 
some saves it seems to revert to the new code and abends
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then my MasterDBV4 tiddlywiki seems to revert to 
the new code in 2.8.0 and abends

The currently active plugins in MasterDBV4 are
    AliasPlugin
    BreadcrumbsPlugin
    CalendarPlugin
    CalendarPluginConfig
    CheckboxPlugin
    CommentPlugin
    CookieJar
    CookieManagerPlugin
    CopyTiddlerPlugin
    DatePlugin
    DatePluginConfig
    EditSectionPlugin
    FootnotesPlugin
    ForEachTiddlerPlugin
    FramedLinksPlugin
    GotoPlugin
    HTMLFormattingPlugin
    HideWhenPlugin
    HoverMenuPlugin
    InlineJavascriptPlugin
    InlineTabsPlugin
    InstantTimestampPlugin
    ListboxPlugin
    MptwLayoutPlugin
    MultiTagEditorPlugin
    MyCommentPlugin
    NestedSlidersPlugin
    NewHerePlugin
    NewMeansNewPlugin
    PartTiddlerPlugin
    PopupMacro
    QuickOpenTagPlugin
    RecentChangesPlugin
    ReminderPlugin
    RenameTagsPlugin
    RetagPlugin
    SaveCloseTiddlerPlugin
    SearchOptionsPlugin
    SectionLinksPlugin
    ShowPopupPlugin
    ShowReferencesPlugin
    StorySaverPlugin
    StoryViewerPlugin
    SystemInfoPlugin
    TaggedTemplateTweak
    TagglyTaggingPlugin
    TagsplorerMacro
    TiddlerListMacro
    TiddlerNotesPlugin
    TiddlersBarPlugin
    ToggleTagPlugin
    TrashPlugin
    UndoPlugin
    systemConfig
    systemConfigOptions

*My Minimum test case is an empty 2.8.0 tiddlywiki*
If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save as it always used to
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then it reverts to the new code in 2.8.0 and 
works (Download Dialogue)

*My Plugin Elimination process*
Enabling TiddlyFox and Prey I do not get an abend
I then Tag sets of plugins as systemConfigDisable
Save and reload without tiddlyfox to see if an abend occurs
I seem to have reduced the set of offenders to the following
    AliasPlugin
    BreadcrumbsPlugin
    HoverMenuPlugin
    InstantTimestampPlugin
    IntelliTaggerPlugin
    MonkeyTaggerMacro
    NewHerePlugin
that is one or more may be the cause of the immediate abend (without 
Firefox running)
However I have now got a delayed abend occurring.

When it abends in most cases the current tiddlywiki becomes Bytes in Size, 
just sometimes it does not save but remains the version when opened.

Please excuse the multiple posts, I am in fear of it abending.

Tony

On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> H Tony
>
> Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say 
> that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that 
> you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
>>
>> I think it important to report something here but I would understand that 
>> it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of 
>> occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when 
>> selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) - 
>> the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and 
>> it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will 
>> happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and 
>> I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin 
>> elimination.
>>
>> Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without 
>> TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the 
>> file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
>>
>> This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall 
>> back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
>>
>> This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
>>
>> I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From 
>> netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
>>  including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is 
>> still occurring.
>>
>>
>> *Request
>> Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could 
>> you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process 
>> and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to 
>> see if I can eliminate it.*
>>
>> I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process 
>> because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
>>
>> FF Crash report below
>>
>> Regards Tony
>>
>> AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
>> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
>> Add-ons: 
>> tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1.17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
>> AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
>> AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
>> AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
>> BuildID: 20130511120803
>> CrashTime: 1370306476
>> EMCheckCompatibility: true
>> Email: [email protected] <javascript:>
>> FramePoisonBase: 00000000f0de0000
>> FramePoisonSize: 65536
>> InstallTime: 1370305003
>> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID: 
>> 00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
>> D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+ 
>> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file 
>> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-000000000000\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
>>  
>> line 291)
>> ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
>> ProductName: Firefox
>> ReleaseChannel: release
>> SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
>> StartupTime: 1370306235
>> SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
>> Theme: classic/1.0
>> Throttleable: 1
>> TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
>> URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
>> Vendor: Mozilla
>> Version: 21.0
>> Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 : 
>> %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :  
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :  
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IPv6] : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IPv6] : 2 : 3 :  
>>  RSVP TCPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 1 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  RSVP TCP Service Provider : 2 : 1 :  
>>  RSVP UDPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  RSVP UDP Service Provider : 2 : 2 :  
>>  VMCI sockets DGRAM : 0 : 2 : %windir%\system32\vsocklib.dll 
>>  VMCI sockets STREAM : 0 : 1 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] SEQPACKET 17 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] DATAGRAM 17 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BCF77AB2-7777-4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] SEQPACKET 13 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BCF77AB2-7777-4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] DATAGRAM 13 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] SEQPACKET 10 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] DATAGRAM 10 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EF050343-842F-441C-9776-16F2FFAB92E9}] SEQPACKET 7 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EF050343-842F-441C-9776-16F2FFAB92E9}] DATAGRAM 7 : 2 
>> : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0D99DAF1-3FD1-49DD-9211-133C219B74E2}] SEQPACKET 4 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0D99DAF1-3FD1-49DD-9211-133C219B74E2}] DATAGRAM 4 : 2 
>> : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{F76ADD42-AC13-4518-AC62-3706E2950455}] SEQPACKET 0 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{F76ADD42-AC13-4518-AC62-3706E2950455}] DATAGRAM 0 : 2 
>> : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{1C355F22-3860-42FF-9256-2B8DD58579CE}] SEQPACKET 2 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{1C355F22-3860-42FF-9256-2B8DD58579CE}] DATAGRAM 2 : 2 
>> : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{A869DFB1-43D4-4C35-A664-F483F4267D3E}] SEQPACKET 21 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{A869DFB1-43D4-4C35-A664-F483F4267D3E}] DATAGRAM 21 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{04A3E4C7-A637-4D7D-B241-E205E81378DF}] SEQPACKET 25 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{04A3E4C7-A637-4D7D-B241-E205E81378DF}] DATAGRAM 25 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{4CDE9167-C516-4870-8357-24259A3BCBC6}] SEQPACKET 24 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{4CDE9167-C516-4870-8357-24259A3BCBC6}] DATAGRAM 24 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{2C37B797-F6D7-4367-AFC0-6C59DFDA0B3C}] SEQPACKET 23 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{2C37B797-F6D7-4367-AFC0-6C59DFDA0B3C}] DATAGRAM 23 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{A869DFB1-43D4-4C35-A664-F483F4267D3E}] SEQPACKET 22 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{A869DFB1-43D4-4C35-A664-F483F4267D3E}] DATAGRAM 22 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{1C355F22-3860-42FF-9256-2B8DD58579CE}] SEQPACKET 20 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{1C355F22-3860-42FF-9256-2B8DD58579CE}] DATAGRAM 20 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{6FDB72DD-9837-4003-95AE-A61A7A6EB53D}] SEQPACKET 19 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{6FDB72DD-9837-4003-95AE-A61A7A6EB53D}] DATAGRAM 19 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{77926489-2F5D-48D2-A983-1A7E53E22D0A}] SEQPACKET 15 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{77926489-2F5D-48D2-A983-1A7E53E22D0A}] DATAGRAM 15 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{D3E94A1D-0F10-4F63-B5D0-12E11375CAB1}] SEQPACKET 12 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{D3E94A1D-0F10-4F63-B5D0-12E11375CAB1}] DATAGRAM 12 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{ABC3B15A-0A4D-4FEB-A638-76880EABDDFB}] SEQPACKET 9 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{ABC3B15A-0A4D-4FEB-A638-76880EABDDFB}] DATAGRAM 9 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{2B68A915-447F-46E1-8EFD-7289D91235B6}] SEQPACKET 6 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{2B68A915-447F-46E1-8EFD-7289D91235B6}] DATAGRAM 6 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] SEQPACKET 18 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] DATAGRAM 18 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{3601EF92-06D6-46CD-8C4D-D80EFC09289B}] SEQPACKET 16 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{3601EF92-06D6-46CD-8C4D-D80EFC09289B}] DATAGRAM 16 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{BCF77AB2-7777-4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] SEQPACKET 14 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{BCF77AB2-7777-4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] DATAGRAM 14 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] SEQPACKET 11 
>> : 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] DATAGRAM 11 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{EF050343-842F-441C-9776-16F2FFAB92E9}] SEQPACKET 8 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{EF050343-842F-441C-9776-16F2FFAB92E9}] DATAGRAM 8 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{0D99DAF1-3FD1-49DD-9211-133C219B74E2}] SEQPACKET 5 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{0D99DAF1-3FD1-49DD-9211-133C219B74E2}] DATAGRAM 5 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{F76ADD42-AC13-4518-AC62-3706E2950455}] SEQPACKET 1 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{F76ADD42-AC13-4518-AC62-3706E2950455}] DATAGRAM 1 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{25F9ACEB-00A4-400F-963F-74695E5994F8}] SEQPACKET 3 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip6_{25F9ACEB-00A4-400F-963F-74695E5994F8}] DATAGRAM 3 : 
>> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>>
>> This report also contains technical information about the state of the 
>> application when it crashed.
>>
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