@Jeremy: Ah, awesome! I never noticed since I never removed all the tags of a Tiddler until it went untagged again before :p
It works very well; I was able to save the new empty.html and import my old TiddlyWiki and use this new functionality! XD There are some little details which I can work around them ^^; but since you asked for my (I guess honest) feedback, I thought that I should say everything :p The new Untagged tab also lists Tiddlers that correspond to tags (in my case, I usually either created these Tiddlers by accident; I clicked on a tag, a Tiddler popped up and I didn't delete it; or I want to give the tag different color with color field - although I can also think of a scenario where this 'Tag Tiddler' can be created and used for describing the tag). I don't think Untagged tab should list these 'Tag Tiddlers' (in order to make the list smaller and more meaningful). The workaround I can think of if this detail is left as it is is to either delete these Tiddlers if they were accidents, or tag them with "tag" lol. The Untagged tab also lists SiteTitle and SiteSubtitle. Personally I don't think they should be listed. I'm kinda thinking they should stay in Shadows even when user-edited (or maybe, just like $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar, move from Shadows to System instead when user-edited). These two Tiddlers are usually edited once and then forgotten, anyway. That's all. I can live without further changes, though. As I said, I can work them around. But thanks again for making the more correct version ^^ @Tobias: For me, they act as subtle hints on what need to be done. Since it's hard to do a full check on every Tiddlers especially as the wiki goes large, they help to drill these to-dos quickly (it's also why I want Random Tiddler feature, which acts as a random check, or a random 'I think I can add another tag to this Tiddler'). In terms of importance, I think it's Missing > Untagged > Orphans. Missing Tiddlers ought to be created, Untagged Tiddlers might need to be tagged, etc. I think the Orphans tab kinda loses its importance as a side effect of the tag system. Without tag system, I might have Tiddlers (which act as tags) that list Tiddlers (e.g. 'Weapons' Tiddler linking to all Tiddlers that are weapons). In this no-tag TiddlyWiki (and I guess with wiki-ish graph connections, not 'mostly independent notes' like in Evernote typical use case), the Orphans tab should list all the top-level Tiddlers (so if you see a Tiddler that shouldn't be there, you might have forgotten to link it from somewhere). But yeah, with tags, there might be more Orphans (hence 'collect a lot of garbage'). One way to make the Oprhans list smaller (and therefore, more meaningful) I think is to regard tagged Tiddlers as 'not Orphans'. It's kinda regarding 'Tiddlers tagged with "Weapon"' = 'There is a Tiddler called "Weapon" that links all Tiddlers that are weapons'. But it might cause other problems and I think this is pretty deep design consideration. ^^; On Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:39:01 PM UTC+8, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > The trouble with [!has[tags]] is that it just looks for a tags field, and > counts a tiddler as tagged even if the field is present, but empty. (As > happens when you delete the last tag from a tiddler). > > I've just pushed a core update with an `untagged` filter operator, and > also created a new `untagged` sidebar tab, let me know what you think: > > > https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/4fb68364811b96e028044db5e3963fea051c07fd > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tobias Beer <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> Edit $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar >>> >>> Paste this: >>> >>> <$button type="set" set="$:/state/**moreSideBarTabSet" >>> setTo="untaggedTab" qualifyTiddlerTitles="yes" selectedClass="tw-tab-** >>> selected">Untagged</$button> >>> >>> To where you want the button to be located among the <$button>s... I >>> place it below the button for 'Tags'. >>> >> >> I have actually put this button at the very bottom of the tags tab >> preceded by a <br>. So, the untagged are in the tags and when i click on >> them, they reveal themselves in the same tab... which is where I think they >> should be. Also makes for an interesting case for a kind of second-level >> tabs. >> >> Best wishes, Tobias. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected] <javascript:> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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