Hi folks,

I wanted to point you to the picture hosting service http://Trovebox.com - 
I intended to use it with my first TW5 plugin, but now they are ending 
there "promotion period". Since I think this serivce may be usefull with 
TWc and TW5, I thought I'll share it. 

Up to the 25th of October (4 days left) they offer a "limited free" and an 
"unlimited pro" account. 

* free [14] ... upload 100 pictures per month. No access limit.
* pro [14] ... unlimited upload / import ... (USD: 29.90 _per year_)

For new users after 25.10.2013, there will be no "unlimieded pro" and "no 
free" option anymore. I don't have any additional info, since they didn't 
talk about the future plans in there mail. ...

Important: If you decide to create an account, carefully read, where you 
want to store your pics. IMO you should use the trovebox store. Otherwise 
trovebox is just a frontend, and you may have to pay twice (For the storage 
and the frontend).

my sandbox: https://pmariojo.trovebox.com/photos/list

Some more info, why I think it is usefull and considering a free account 
doesn't hurt :)

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Some time ago I did create 2 spaces [10,11] to include picasa picture 
gallery into a TiddlySpace TiddlyWiki [a](long thread). I did implement a 
very "basic" functionality, because imo googles or flikrs "Terms of Service 
(TOS)" [1,2,3,4] don't allow the usecase Mat and I actaully wanted.

The main goal, of such an implementation should be 

* There should be the possibility to upload your full size pictures to a 
hosting / sharing service.

* The service should be useable on its own.

* The hosting service should give a programmer an interface (API) to load 
the full size pic or a resized version on demand. 

* The TiddlyWiki should be able to download and save these pics as a 
tiddler for eg: offline viewing. 

* The service should not deny the above by there Terms Of Service (both 
user and developer TOS are important)


In my last post [13] I stated, that there are services, that do treat ther 
users in a better way. ... much better!

I did know about the OpenPhoto (now Trovebox) project but it was in its 
infancy in Feb. 2012 :) Atm it is version 3 and imo quite useable as a 
picture hosting and sharing service [5]. It is open source. You can find it 
at github [9].

It can store your photos at there servers or it can connect to eg: Dropbox, 
Box, Amazon S3, CX and DreamObjects (source: [5]). I personally store my 
stuff at there servers. So the free space, they provide adds up :) 

Trovebox uses very liberal TOS [8]. In fact all your stuff is yours. If you 
want to host your own service, just do it. 

IMO for TW users/devs even more important, there is a nice http API [6] 
that allows [8] you to fetch and resize [7] your pictures on the fly. No 
restrictions, to store your onw pics somewhere else \o/

So you only need to upload a full size picture to your account and you 
(your TW) can download a resized version of the pic to store it eg: for 
offline viewing. 

PRO: 
 * IMO exactly what we need, to use pics with TiddlySpace,  TWc and TW5

CONS:
 * Plugin(s), that uses the service has to be created ;)

have fun!
mario

PS: Wall of flame

FlikrTOS for programmers [1] especially the "You shall not" (i and iv) and 
the Commercial Use sections.
FlikrTOS for users [2], which is the (!"ยง$% long) Yahoo tos, where a user 
has to grant them all the rights, to user there service
google developer TOS [3]. Especially the "Prohibitions on Content" section. 
google user TOS [4] ... where you need to grant rights to user your stuff, 
even if you removed it. 
many others are no better ...

PPS: links :)

[a] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/uFypHIuwkuM/994_H4PN5tkJ

[1] http://www.flickr.com/services/api/tos/
[2] http://info.yahoo.com/legal/ie/yahoo/utos/en-ie/
[3] https://developers.google.com/terms/
[4] http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
[5] https://trovebox.com
[6] https://trovebox.com/documentation
[7] http://theopenphotoproject.org/documentation/faq/PhotoGeneration
[8] https://trovebox.com/terms
[9] https://github.com/photo/frontend

[10] http://picasagallery.tiddlyspace.com/
[11] http://picasagallery-plugins.tiddlyspace.com/ 

[12] about tos restrictions 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/uFypHIuwkuM/e2uNEcZe7k0J
[13] my last post: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/uFypHIuwkuM/e2uNEcZe7k0J

[14] https://trovebox.com/plans

PPS: I'm not related to any of the above mentioned services. I just wanted 
to let you know!

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