Hi Jeremy, The post chimes with me, replace tidal with TiddlyWiki to gain a fair impression of my position. (It is a glorious text isn't it?)
I also like the idea of TW being in a tradition of generative tools, there is an opening for a generative hypertext tool. Plugins like Tobia's random tiddler and make tiddler point towards a future where TW could be obviously a generative hypertext tool. My personal favourite exponent of generative systems is Brian Eno. I sense that generative systems "had their time" and can appear deeply uncool, like progressive rock and trippy fractals. But I also sense that they are coming back. *Flow* Yesterday on the radio [1] someone was talking about video games, technology and "flow" [2], for me TW delivers a learning curve which delivers a flow state for many people. You can start of my drawing a picture and making an interactive story (like my 6 year old) and you could end up trying to understand what a quine and reading about the philosophy of the quine. I like to see TW in the tradition of Leheman's zetlekasten [4] and of Ashby's card index. Interlinked notes become part of the system one uses for thinking. The name Osmosoft pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. It alludes to biological computing, a strand of computing history with which Ashby (I psychologist by training) was closely associated. TW is a tool and a meta tool for itself and for thinking in general. *Lambda* In Manchester there is an event called Lambda lounge: i went a few times. It's interrupting to note that Tidal is "is embedded in the Haskell language". After the event, I spoke to a chap working for the BBC in the computing division (we have them up in Manchester now) Does TW follow a similar programming paradigm? If so it may attract attention from the lambda people. It seems to me this is a good direction for computing to move in. And of course, that is purely a hunch: I am not a specialist and have a dangerous little knowledge about the subject which opens up the possibilities for creating useful and not so useful errors in logic. *Téléologie et fonctions biologiques* I wish I could understand Albero's stuff here : http://tesis.tiddlyspot.com/ *Meta hangout?* Lets have a meta hangout! Alex [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06zqn0v [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Van_Orman_Quine [4] http://takingnotenow.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/luhmanns-zettelkasten.html [5] http://takingnotenow.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/w-ross-ashbys-journals-and-index-cards.html [6] http://www.lambdalounge.org.uk/ [7] http://tidal.lurk.org/ On 8 February 2016 at 14:07, Jeremy Ruston <[email protected]> wrote: > I was struck by how these rather nicely expressed words might equally > apply to the experience of using TiddlyWiki. It’s actually somebody talking > about a specialised programming language for "live coding” musical > performances: > > > Tidal is an invitation, a map with many areas marked "here be > dragons..." It's > > a master carpenter's tool kit, but, also a heap of unorganized Legos. > Tidal is > > a playground where both discovery and questions arise simultaneously. > It's an > > intriguing, frustrating mute, a sly cipher, a breathing mandala, a dose > of > > friendly venom. It's a supreme blank slate, a piece of graph paper with > a Z > > axis. A series of amusements and also wretched dead-ends. Tidal is 101 > > unexpectedly popping balloons, a lucid dream. It is a bicycle that once > you > > learn to ride it, reveals that it can FLY. > > > > Tidal is the thing I think about almost more often than anything else. > It is > > impressive enough to sufficiently motivate an old man who yells at > clouds to > > learn completely new things (writing code) and learn more about things > ignored > > thus far (music fundamentals). > > > > Tidal is amazing: I don't know what it is. > > Source: http://lurk.org/groups/tidal/messages/post/54YnfgMDakbh7KgPG05Vc2 > > I like the idea that TiddlyWiki is part of a tradition of tools that have > the quality of being “generative”: they are meta-tools let you build other, > specialised tools for the task at hand. Other examples would be Microsoft > Access and Apple’s Hypercard. > > I think it’s that quality that gives rise to the hall-of-mirrors sensation > of dizzying possibility that has become familiar as people talk about their > experience of using TiddlyWiki. > > What do you think? Does TiddlyWiki feel like that to you? Are there other > tools you’ve used that have the same quality? Are there situations where > “here be dragons” might scare people off? > > Best wishes > > Jeremy. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1EC121B7-AF39-44C4-BD9B-874DBB5E6586%40gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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