@Jeremy, thanks for the references. I figured there was a reason why it was being designed the way it was, just didn't know what they were. The concerns about the widget tree updates make sense, and expose a whole level of complexity to TW5 I had happily not thought about before. What you've created is even more impressive knowing about all that now. @Tobias, thanks for the macro suggestion. That does help.
Matt On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 3:22:58 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Tobias, Danielo, > > There’s some discussion here about the technical difficulties that we ran > into when we tried to add support for action widgets to the checkbox widget: > > https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/1564#issuecomment-142291357 > https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/2217 > > The solution that I implemented earlier this year of adding an “actions” > attribute isn’t ideal, but it does work. > > The design of TiddlyWiki5 was very much made up as I went along. When I > started it wasn’t clear that my central idea was practical: to break the > user interface of a wiki into the smallest possible primitives, and compose > them with wikitext. That goal is a direct consequence of my broader goal to > enable people without conventional developer experience to create custom > applications. > > There are now a bunch of areas of the design where I can say firmly that I > wouldn’t do it that way now — that’s true even some quite fundamental > aspects of TW5: I now believe, for instance, that the basic model of a > tiddler isn’t correct. > > However, I’ve learned again and again to value backwards compatibility, > and so have been prevented from fixing many of the design issues. (Another > example would be the inconsistent use of $ to prefix widget attributes; > believe it or not, there was once a consistent system, but it broke down > over time as I learned that my initial scheme wasn’t workable). > > From my own perspective, I’ve learned to live with the imperfections of > things like TiddlyWiki. The alternative of frequent breaking changes would > make TiddlyWiki such a moving target that there would be little chance of a > non-developer community emerging. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > On 22 Dec 2016, at 07:38, Tobias Beer <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Hi Danielo, > > >> It may be simple, but it is not obvious neither consistent. Every piece >> of tiddlywiky works its own way, it's a bit of pain to remember all the >> moving parts. This is just one more piece on the puzzle > > > From a perspective of modularity, > outsourcing exhaustive action code into discrete, > even reusable chunks is the right thing to do ...for me. > > Overloading a widget attribute with heaps of wikitext, > now that's what I would call inconsistent when I look at it. > Sure that'll work, but from a developer's pov it's awful. > It's like writing mountains of js directly into some > onclick="javascrit:alert('foo');" handler. > Preferably, you just don't do that. > It's separation of concerns 101. > > Best wishes, > > Tobias. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d4210098-3b72-4a19-a0cb-d8b0769df0f3%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d4210098-3b72-4a19-a0cb-d8b0769df0f3%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/503f4827-824f-4d7b-adcb-844a584bc369%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
