Thanks, Tony, for the insights.And, for reminding me of the GenTags <https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/GenericTagFields/> plugin; I'd lost track of that one, and it is really helpful. //steve.
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 7:28:54 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote: > > Steven, > > I suppose the importance of the tag field is its supporting tools like tag > pills, filters and tags as tiddlers. Personally I have started to reduce my > use of tags in favour of reserving them for adhoc or hierarchical > relationships. > > The list fields is a special case of using a field as a list of titles, > where if you have drag-able lists, for example of items tagged with a > specific tag you can set the order with drag and drop. Thus I leave it > alone for that purpose. > > Even the existence of a field can act like a tag once you become familiar > with field filters note the has[fieldname] filter demands the field have a > value, even one space character. > > I am gradually starting to use custom fields, listops and tools rather > than using too many tags. One use of using another field as a list of > titles (not the tags or list fields) is for subjects or categories that > differ from tags. Once a tag exists it is available to all tiddlers to tag > them, if you use tags for subjects and categories it is not easy to tell > the different functions of different tags unless you add this to the naming > standard. > > Of late I am playing with Jeds GenTags plugin > <http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/GenericTagFields/> > Which provides the partial equivalent of additional tags fields, which I > am using for subjects and Categories, each additional field has its own > list of candidate titles, rather than from all tags. > > I am starting to see limitations with the tabs widget, that may have > something to do with your students issue, however your code snipit I would > describe as "Populate a field with a list of titles" could help here. > > Thanks for sharing > I hope my perspective throws a little light on the subject. > > Tony > > On Saturday, 24 March 2018 07:59:54 UTC+11, Steven Schneider wrote: >> >> Not a technical problem, a visual problem. He wanted to be able to leaf >> through illustrations without shifting tiddlers, and the tabs approach >> wasn't really doing it for him. Mostly: I'm interested here in >> understanding how list field differs from tag field, and how they can be >> used to accomplish different types of things. >> >> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 4:17:10 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote: >>> >>> What was the problem with the <<tab>> approach? If it was just the sort >>> order, add a field "sortby" to each illustration with a double buffered >>> illustration number ("01", "02" ... "31" ....) >>> >>> Then >>> >>> <<tabs "[tag[Illustrations]sort[sortby]]" >>> \\ >>> >>> "$:/state/tab2" "tc-vertical">> >>> >>> should work. >>> >>> -- Mark >>> >>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:51:27 AM UTC-7, Steven Schneider wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. Let me try again: >>>> >>>> At >>>> http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/#Illustrations:Illustrations%20Description >>>> the >>>> author uses <<tabs>> to present images tagged with "Illustrations". This >>>> is >>>> ok, but not super ideal. >>>> I suggested he create a new tiddler called "Show the Illustrations" >>>> that made use of a list of tiddlers so that they could be identified and >>>> sorted. The <<tag Illustrations>> was of limited value, so I suggested he >>>> might use the list field instead (We ultimately ended up developing a >>>> tag-based >>>> macro >>>> <https://designwritestudio.updog.co/#Navigating%20Through%20A%20Set%20of%20Images> >>>> instead >>>> of using a list field...). >>>> >>>> While exploring list fields, it was annoying to manually populate a >>>> list field with every tagged tiddler, so we wrote that short one-time use >>>> button script that essentially put the contents of the <<tags>> field into >>>> a <<list>> field of a specified tiddler. (It was also a way to introduce >>>> the use of the ActionListOps widget)(on reflection, there was probably a >>>> faster way to copy the contents of the tag field of a tiddler into the >>>> list >>>> field of another tiddler, but I didn't think of that until now). >>>> >>>> Our discussion generated some interesting questions about the nature of >>>> list fields, as well as the nature of the tags field, and when it was >>>> useful / appropriate to use tags and when it was useful / appropriate to >>>> use list fields. That's really my question. >>>> >>>> Thanks for seeking clarification :) >>>> >>>> //steve. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To me it's absolutely unclear >>>>> >>>>> a) What you're trying to achieve >>>>> b) What's your question >>>>> >>>>> Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student >>>>> can't use becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? >>>>> So >>>>> can you give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to >>>>> have >>>>> a look at? >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/39ce5ef3-919e-4ea7-971e-876f0e6b4bb0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
