We agree furiously On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 7:19:12 AM UTC+10, Vytas wrote: > > The topic “human memory vs its outsourcing” to handwritten notes, google > or TiddlyWiki technology seems to be really interesting. > > > It seems that excessive reliance on googling has a big disadvantage in > the fact, that it typically discorouges (because it is so much easier to > search google than to sweat while thinking!) one to contemplate > INDIVIDUALLY about the thing he/she is about to search google for, which > leads towards consuming of fragmented/scattered pieces of information > without constructing of deeper relations to within ONE‘s own mind > integrated knowledge and experience. >
Totally true, part of integrated knowledge is learning which questions to ask which we could replace with google on some occasions, however it demands knowing the correct keywords, to come up with the keywords (which are always limiting in some way) you need to start with integrated knowledge of the subject. Googling is part of an integrated approach, the problem is there seems to be a lot of people starting to depend on, or use to a large extent, what I call "just in time learning". An example I can think of is someone who has only being driving for a few years thinking they can change a tire by youtube. The problem in Australia (given how large the place is) is Dr google may not be contactable, if you did not know it was called a tire would you even be able to search for it?. It should not be underestimated that if I read while at home some basics about car maintenance and tire changes I gain sufficient knowledge to be able to find my way in unexpected circumstances, and it can be good to not memorise fiddly details than may change later when you can refer to the details with a search. The point is you need a conceptual understanding, perhaps even jargon, before "using the internet as a second brain" will work for you, prior to that it is only a reference. > > Similarly, if you heavily relate on your notes, you lose the chance to > reconstruct/ORGANICALLY recollect once acquired knowledge. It was stated in > this thread by several people, that repetition is essential in the course > of constructing long term momories. However, I believe that it is important > how you repeat: do you think, sweat and to some degree fail in rememberig > OR do you just look it up (google, TW notes) in a fragmented way (and after > it probably forget soon)? > One again we agree, I think of notes as a way to at first simply extend my listening to more than one medium, in the ears onto the paper helps you more than just ears, the note pad is external brain, I can flag I must return to X later, I may never read them again. I have personally cultivated "conceptual learning" such that I am always integrating what I learn with conceptual frameworks. Truth is I am not good at repetitions, perhaps the truth is I dislike them. I prefer to always try and decompose data into knowledge and hang it on a conceptual frame work, that once reading my notes a few times they are no longer needed. I pride myself also on being able to think out side the box, One way I think I achieve this is I look for conceptual frame works everywhere, I collect them so that I can use and reuse them in novel places. > > Isn‘t it that the process of taking notes is actually significantly more > important than the later reusability of those notes? Writing something > actually makes you look for more and preferably deeper relations, which > helps you in consolidating your understanding. The lower the quality of > your notes, the more searching your notes reminds of googling. The bigger > the quality of your notes, the less you need to invoke them (because you > probably already have those things in your working memory, since you have > put a lot of effort to understand them to produce those high quality > notes!). > Totaly > > So, my question is: HOW should we use TiddlyWiki for? > > > - a) Write down and store everything which „might be of some use > later“? > - b) Use it more for daily organization of work/activities or for > high quality note-taking putting an emphasis on links between individual > units of knowledge? > > I do this now, big time, in fact since I adopted TWC almost a decade ago. > > - > - c) Put more emphasis on employing it for statistics: to gather > statistics on how much/how often we have been thinking about various > topics > / use it to gather organized data about different objects/subjects of some > category (a tiddler per person/book/movie/product… [with specially chosen > fields for a given category])? > > I kind of do this but I could go a lot further > > - > - d) Take TW as an important hobby and concentrate on studying TW > mark-up language, developing tools/plugins, taking part in the discussions > in this forum? [Somehow I guess that for a decent amount of people here > taking TW as a hobby could overshadow the applied role of TW.] > > I agree with the above list but would go a lot further. TiddlyWiki lets you build conceptual frameworks, systems, relationships and processes. Further it is possible to extrapolate, refine, systematise, redeploy conceptual frameworks on different data and knowledge sets. I am also using tiddlywiki as a professional thinking tool(s). Another advantage of tiddlywiki is since within it I can control all of the above it is a platform that evolves with my thinking. When I think it would be helpful to have a solution for example that "summarises tasks across multiple projects to see shared issues" I simply build it. Rebuild it, or try another way. > > - > > > I believe that all of this and much more is to a bigger or smaller degree > possible. However, do we really want to relativize everything and escape > prioritization? > Please explain what you mean here a little more? TiddlyWiki is now an integrated part of how and what I do, it is an extension of my brain. If I had a brain implant I would host in it multiple tiddlywikis. Best wishes Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5b295dd1-9888-4a1b-8e8f-327fd0797403%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
