Josiah,

Yes, I see what you mean. If you put it this way, then the only way to get 
the direct meaning is just by engaging into pure experience. Everything 
else (computers, writing, TW, art, physics formulae..) is a step away from 
it.

*"TBH, I think the issue on this is about simply understanding in this 
group we'd do each a favour by promoting TW we know about that are more 
than demos. Its not workable to criticise people who like making systems 
that benefit us all for doing that. Its impossible without them." *
I just wanted to explain, that, in my earlier posts, I did not have any 
intention to criticize people who *"like making systems"*. I went from my 
own little experience, where I noticed that's once you get into creating 
tools/solutions, you abandon, to a large degree, the applied part. You 
simply don't have unlimited time! When I noticed, that also the discussions 
in the group are dominated more by technical issues, I thought that maybe 
it would be healthy, for me, to turn to application more. 

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