On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-6, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There is a huge usability gain, you don't need to know any javascript to 
> make something new and useful with tiddlywiki.
>

I was a hobby level programmer in javascript. I remember many years ago in 
TWC using Eric Schulman's code and developer tools I could do almost any 
kind of processing on data and render it in any way I felt like. 
I ll be nothing but honest that I have never felt like that with TW5. Many 
times I tried and gave up in frustration simply because I could not find 
either tools or documentation like I did in TWC. 

Just a few months ago I once again started to do some hacking, trying to 
create a simple quiz. I was out of job and was preparing for some multiple 
choice exam and I wanted something simple but efficient. Believe it or not 
after spending almost a week I started wondering if the whole effort was 
worth it at all. And then I gave it up and just created hand written flash 
cards. Whats the point? When one has put in a whole long weekend and 
neglected one's health and given it space in one's mind and still does not 
reach anywhere one feel one has made a wrong decision and wasted precious 
time. 

People who are creating new things in TW5 are doing it because many of them 
have a good programming background. Many of them are exceptionally creative 
and they have time. TW5 will never become a tool that common people will 
use. Its too complicated as well as restrictive. 

 
 

> If it were just a neat javascript page that you used javascript to make 
> things in than I never would have played with it.
>

If you call a javascript page just a neat thing, then TW5 is also just a 
neat thing. I do not understand why you find javascript as something any 
less valuable. It might be with you that it does not attract you, but huge 
part of internet runs on javascript.

 

> Yes, you can do less with vanilla tiddlywiki than you can with javascript, 
> but you can do more with assembler than you can with javascript, but I am 
> not going to write a web server in assembly despite the potential 
> performance gains.
>

That's a completely wrong comparison. I think you do not know Javascript 
enough. 

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