Passingby! Tony! I agree there is limited documentation on TW5 and some of them in tiddlywiki.com are not good for learning purpose and may target developer or advanced users. If we could improve the documentation, then I think the learning curve will be short.
For the Javascript and TWC, I think for many users (non-programmer) doing things with JS is really hard. TW5 facilitates many tasks using a high level yet simple widgets. I agree it is not complete and there are shortcomings, but its simplicity is not comparable with JS for non-programmer. All in all what we need is good resource kit, good documentation, better collaboration /Mohammad On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 7:35:58 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-6, Jed Carty wrote: >> >> There is a huge usability gain, you don't need to know any javascript to >> make something new and useful with tiddlywiki. >> > > I was a hobby level programmer in javascript. I remember many years ago in > TWC using Eric Schulman's code and developer tools I could do almost any > kind of processing on data and render it in any way I felt like. > I ll be nothing but honest that I have never felt like that with TW5. Many > times I tried and gave up in frustration simply because I could not find > either tools or documentation like I did in TWC. > > Just a few months ago I once again started to do some hacking, trying to > create a simple quiz. I was out of job and was preparing for some multiple > choice exam and I wanted something simple but efficient. Believe it or not > after spending almost a week I started wondering if the whole effort was > worth it at all. And then I gave it up and just created hand written flash > cards. Whats the point? When one has put in a whole long weekend and > neglected one's health and given it space in one's mind and still does not > reach anywhere one feel one has made a wrong decision and wasted precious > time. > > People who are creating new things in TW5 are doing it because many of > them have a good programming background. Many of them are exceptionally > creative and they have time. TW5 will never become a tool that common > people will use. Its too complicated as well as restrictive. > > > > >> If it were just a neat javascript page that you used javascript to make >> things in than I never would have played with it. >> > > If you call a javascript page just a neat thing, then TW5 is also just a > neat thing. I do not understand why you find javascript as something any > less valuable. It might be with you that it does not attract you, but huge > part of internet runs on javascript. > > > >> Yes, you can do less with vanilla tiddlywiki than you can with >> javascript, but you can do more with assembler than you can with >> javascript, but I am not going to write a web server in assembly despite >> the potential performance gains. >> > > That's a completely wrong comparison. I think you do not know Javascript > enough. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/0bfe2652-4dc7-49b9-82d7-67ef7b7d9125%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
