I agree with you, but the pushback I got years ago when I brought it up was,
TiddlyWiki is meant to be non-linear. Putting a TOC in the empty version goes against the principles used in dreaming up TiddlyWiki. And it perhaps promotes inflexibility in the user, as he or she might then be influenced away from more non-linear uses. I can understand and appreciate that argument. But making something as basic as a TOC so difficult to create does indeed hold TW back from adoption by new users. Maybe there should be a TOC edition? On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-6, bimlas wrote: > > I've been using TiddlyWiki for about 3 months, but I've seen the mailing > list many times, "Why is there a small number of Tiddly users, even though > it's better/more flexible than other wikis?" I think the main problem is > that new users feel lost in trying out https://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html > > When they write a new note, it appears in the Open sidebar, but as soon as > they are closing it, the note disappearing from the list, so they think > they have deleted their note, they do not know they can access it in the > Recent sidebar. > > Let's assume that the user goes through the first barrier and finds that > he can find his notes using the Recent sidebar and the search box. He wants > to organize his notes in order to find them easier. Because he has used a > note-taking program before, so he thinks he can use tags. As a test, he > adds a tag to the note, then clicks on it and sees that the current note is > listed. He is happy about it, but he misses the list of tags because they > are not visible by default, he must look for it. > > Our man is very clever, he finds the Tools -> Tag Manager list and the > More -> Tags sidebar, so he can use the wiki quite effectively. He thinks > he wants to write a book from his notes, so he wants to sort them into a > hierarchical system (table of contents). Since he not finds option / help > in his own wiki, he must search the web for the answer. He finds the answer > on > https://tiddlywiki.com/#Adding%20a%20table%20of%20contents%20to%20the%20sidebar > > and can create a table of contents, but faces the fact that TiddlyWiki has > to be "hacked" to reach its goals. If our man is a programmer / scientist, > he's probably glad that TiddlyWiki is very open to modification, but if he > is a simple user, then that fact can be scare of it. > > In my opinion, what is missing from TiddlyWiki is that navigation is more > like general wiki (by default): > > Sidebars to add: > > - Include a default table of contents > - Show More -> Tags as a regular sidebar > > Sidebars to remove: > > - Open is rarelly used in my opinion (at least among ordinary users) > - Move "Tools" to the "More" sidebar (where Tags was) > > Finally, there would be as many sidebars as before, but they would come to > the fore, which an average user (came from another wiki) uses more. > > (Very much thanks to @TiddlyTweeter for mentioning the use of Google > Translate!) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0b69f7d-389a-4fa7-86b1-7dc3f1a91b9f%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
