I agree and disagree with most of you :-). I'd say we don't need more burden on "Central Systems" to provide the kind of needed solution Bimlas in the OP points to. Which is real. But is getting it "core-ish" the right way?
I suspect the solution is more likely along the lines of TonyM, But a bit less complicated. I think he gets very right the central notion of "Wiki For Purpose" with instructions included for ITS PURPOSE. In other words: the issue devolves to having a serious SHOWCASE of wiki made for narrower purposes than TW "in potentio". TW empty is a "vorpal sword" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorpal_sword) where a newbie often won't have a clue how to activate the "vorpal" for their benefit... But a honed self-documented wiki for a SUB-MARKET, I'm sure it will, IF it can be got to that market. Best wishes Josiah On Saturday, 3 November 2018 14:29:58 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote: > > Just to be clear, what you are proposing is something inbetween empty.html > and tiddlywiki.com? An edition for newbies that has introductory > documentation and a few things preinstalled? > > My take would be that the documentation (most of your list) should stay on > tiddlywiki.com, rather than a parallel scaled down version that has to be > maintained separately. What is needed is to make a lot of the existing > documentation more user friendly for soccer moms and busy office workers. > The problem is that not everyone here can write in that way - they have > been techies for too long, and an explanation that sounds abundantly clear > to them - and is - is not clear at all for the rest of us. So they double > down on explaining the abstract definition of a filter or widget, thinking > that will help. Most of us couldn't care less about the definitions and the > concepts. We just want to know what we might use it for and how to use it > without destroying the Internet. > > I did some of the work - a number of the tiddlers at > https://tiddlywiki.com/#Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki back in 2014. And of > course the toolmap and my earlier "TW for the rest of us" and TiddlyVault > for classic TW. But I don't have time or knowhow to do much more nowadays. > > In addition to better documentation, we should have a) an array of > editions for various use cases and b) a library of one-function-only nearly > empty tws that have one thing - vertical tabs, a table of contents, etc - > and instructions on how to install that one thing and modify it, both for > mobile and for laptop. Then have links to these things on tiddlywiki.com > and the toolmap or whatever is cooked up to replace it. > > One issue is that it is less glamorous - and feels like a step backwards > - for most TW regulars to spend time looking at the basic stuff we learned > years ago in order to help others understand them. We would rather create > new cutting edge stuff. For some, that means new plugins. For me that means > new combinations of elements to create new workflows for my personal uses - > notetaking, organizing my ideas, web publishing, and productivity. It is > easy to feel we have too many important things to do at those levels, and > that doing documentation would be a boring chore and a bad use of our time. > But if a few key players could commit themselves to devote 2-3 hours a > month (or whatever) to evaluating and cleaning up documentation on > tiddlywiki.com, that would go a long way. > > okay that is my two cents for today. Blessings. > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:03:42 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote: >> >> David, >> >> Perhaps there should be a new user edition, empty is "as pure as the >> driven snow", and this is importiant for somewhat knowledgable users >> wanting a fresh copy when they need it. But I agree with you and Bimlas. >> Lets use this thread to build a list of things we would include in a new >> user wiki and make such an addition. >> >> We could even create a button to create or delete these additions. >> >> Toc already installed >> A home page in the toc with a set of guidence tiddlers below (abouts and >> high level how to tiddlers) most will link to tiddlywiki.com tiddlers. >> Eg; >> How to create tiddlers or "content" in tiddlywiki >> How to write in tiddlywiki markdown >> How to connect tiddlers with tags eg new here >> How to list tiddlers with the same >> How to backup your tiddlywiki >> How to save your work >> How to get or transfer content - tiddlers, bundles of tiddlers, plugins >> tag(s)/combination of tags >> How to find plugins via libraries, listings, search, googlegroups >> How to get help (search tiddlywiki.com, see find below, search gg, ask >> gg) >> How to find more learning resources >> How to find more resources >> How to make something appear on every tiddler >> About filters (built in first then make your own) filter operators >> About searching ( in sidebar, advanced search, search operator) >> About editions (empty, new user, others your own) >> About saving your work >> - default save >> - timimi >> - support plugins >> - get a server to save it for you from (file to http) >> About fields >> Glossary of terms common in tiddlywiki >> - file based or single file tiddlywiki >> - folder based wiki >> - transclusion >> - widgets >> - macros >> - plugins >> - bundles (of tiddlers) >> About mobile first >> About on your desktop >> About tiddlywiki as a platform >> About taas tiddlywiki as a service - tiddlyspot, noteself, maarfapad >> How to share tiddlywikis - file, taas, cloud, html, PHP server, nodejs, >> tiddlyserver, bob >> How to view tiddlywiki files - browser (file/html), apps with browsers >> built in - >> Did you know? >> - you can change the editor/use external editors >> >> More? >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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