All ... This is a fabulous thread! It seriously thought about issues of "starting-out with TW."
I really appreciate the detailed posts by "s. s." (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/y7THOx9VJtQ) and "aged..." (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/y7THOx9VJtQ/7LpWGGXSAwAJ). Its important if you are interested in broader reach for TW to understand, specifically, the needs of potential users who guess it can help them but just want to get on with it, not spend weeks figuring out what is going on. Regarding the OP, the issue was, in a way, whether "empty" is "too empty" -- especially with regards to a TOC. I agree in the sense that "empty" is, in many ways a "tabula rasa" (blank slate) that can be confusing. But it has much merit NOT getting too structured too early. I'm also skeptical that adding a "standard" TOC to "empty" will solve the "newbie" problem in the way needed. This is because the KIND of TOC needed would vary by the FUNCTIONAL needs of the user. For instance, tiddlywiki.com has a TOC for **its** purpose ... but someone writing a novel would need a different TOC structure; and a person writing and publishing Tweets to Twitter a different one again; or a gamer with yet other needs; so too a blogger. The key point I think I'm trying to get to is that uptake would be improved with more "Start Wiki" -- One for programmers, one for fiction writers, one for social networkers etc. To some extent "editions" available via tiddlywiki.com provide some of that. But they are "bare-bones" (and need to be because Central Services can't possibly deal with all the variant potential usages). So by "Start Wiki" I'm meaning TW that are more replete--for instance a "Novelists Starter Kit TW" might include plugins for organising tiddlers by, say, "Chapter"? (Thomas Elmigers "ListReveal" would to that very well--probably fat better than a TOC in a menu) In other words, I think the broader issue is as much about having a larger "showcase" of TW implementations. I'd say the "TOC issue" is simply *A* signal of the lack of "Start Wiki". Those are my current reflections. Best wishes Josiah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ec6057ce-05c6-40bf-a495-41d2a401e077%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
