Hi Josiah, thanks for your feedback!
> BTC: Do you think the app is going in the right direction?
>
> YES.
>
> > Have you got ideas ...
>
> Riz and Mark made many interesting comments I can't add much to.
>
> BUT the beauty of what you have made is its simplicity of install. That is
> exactly right for Android IMO. Meaning I could ask friends to trial it
> assured it will work. It's that "Tiddly desktop" type experience that will
> gain users.
>
The simplicity comes from the simplicity of my modest android programming
skills, but you're right that it's also a real strength of the concept. I
want to keep that approach the whole way through
IF, eventually, it could be on Play Store, so much the better.
>
It should be there when it's ready to be there. There's also the
open-source F-Droid app-store. I'm sure I want to make it appear there first
> A few comments ....
>
> In looking at improvements there seem to be TWO different issues ... (a)
> the mechanism of install & running; (b) the "mobile friendliness" of
> installed TW.
>
> Though it's, as it were, not your main objective to have to address B when
> coping with A ... I do think it matters somewhat.
>
It matters a lot and I would address that, too and I believe so would
others. If we want the default tiddlywiki to be more mobile friendly, which
is something we want (...) , we should first create a prioritized list of
simple required adjustments, like:
* move sidebar button down and closer to the edge, take left-handers into
account
* think about the positions of the tiddler buttons. should they be layed
out horizontally or vertically, left or right?
questions like these do matter a lot here
> My thought here is that the default first installed TW be prepped with a
> style that is more mobile optimised. That could maybe be an assembledge of
> things already made by you, JD and Thomas.
>
> Part of the issue for optimal Android TW is both CSS stylistics and the
> structure of the TW. I suspect that we'll better evolve into what is needed
> once Android usage increases. Which I am sure your app will foster.
>
Yes, first I think tiddlywiki should add sane defaults addressing questions
like above
Nothing too opinionated should go there as the differences between a
tiddlywiki in the browser and one on a smartphone should be recognizable at
first sight as necessary adjustments for operability
One thing I'd like to understand myself is HOW to activate TW startup
> actions that use environment detection Tiddlers (.info) to modify the
> interface or apply a specific theme.
>
Hm, I think the $:/info/browser/screen/height and
$:/info/browser/screen/width tiddlers can be used to determine if we're on
a small screen
In a tiddler tagged $:/tags/StartupAction
<$reveal state="$:/info/browser/screen/width" type="lt"
text={{$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint}}>
actions if screen is small
</$reveal>
An additional option comes using the dynaview plugin and enabling saving
the view dimensions whenever the view changes (enable it through the
checkbox in the plugin's config tab)
Using that we can create stylesheets that adjust when dimensions change
On the specifics of install and running ... some thoughts, echoing others
> ...
>
> 1 - I think it's great DEFAULT behaviour is to create a "Documents" folder
> if it does not exist. The simplicity is just right. FWIW, I suggest the
> default be "Documents/TW/" to prevent possible conflicts if a user already
> has an "index.html" (which is not a TW) in that folder.
>
I want to keep it simple like that, but I believe the Documents folder will
not be the default location. It will be possible to select a starting wiki,
otherwise the app just creates one and starts with it. The app will be able
to open more than one at the same time and the files will be organized
better, separate folders for each wiki. Probably a new folder just for the
app
> 2 - Though I have no idea how one could do it, I think a more advanced
> CUSTOM mode, which is what others have basically covered in suggestions,
> looks attractive. FWIW, in my own use I'd love to (a) be able to have
> access to more than one TW; (b) preferably concurrent; (c) some way to
> access "template/edition" TW -- either in an online depository or one's own
> on phone.
>
> As I think about it more ... the thing with smart phones in general is
> they are optimal for Apps DELIMITED to specific purposes. So a thought is
> to not just one "App" but rather several. I hope it's clear what I mean by
> that!
>
If you mean being able to have more wikies open at the same time then yes,
that'll come. But there will be only one app
many thanks & best wishes for proxima jahre.
>
> Josiah
>
Thank you!
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