Hi Folks, The whole discussion was probably started by a PullRequest <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3971>, that I made some time ago.
It is about a new filter operator named: keyvalues. We do have indexes and getindex which allows a "list-widget" to list all indexes or to read a defined value. Using those operators you need a nested list-widget, if you want to list both: the "key and the value". That's why I did create the operator. Usage examples can be seen at an example wiki <http://3971.tiddlyspot.com/#keyvalues%20Operator:%5B%5Bkeyvalues%20Operator%5D%5D%20%5B%5Bkeyvalues%20Operator%20(Examples)%5D%5D>. The suggestion at the moment is, to implement it as a plugin. ... Which I am considering. ... In the PR Jeremy pointed out, that handling many small tiddlers is the same as handling 1 bigger one. .. From a program point of view this is right. ... From a users point of view I think it isn't. As Hubert pointed out in the OP, he doesn't want to use plugins. But if I do create a lot of related tiddlers, where some of them are system tiddlers, users need a specialized UI to export / import different states. ... If there is no UI users can't reliably handle a given state. If the "given state" is saved in 1 data-tiddler that's a simple exercise. So IMO there is a usecase for data-tiddlers. An other example: Let's say I have a sudoku game UI, which consists of 9 x 9 fields, which results in 81 cells. That's OK for most users, for 1 sudoku. BUT every cell has 9 helper-cells, which gives us max 729 tiddlers. In my special case the game field is 11 x 11 (sandwich sudoku), which gives us: 11 x 11 x 9 = 1089 tiddlers. ... That's OK for me as a programmer, but if I need to transfer or save a special state, its close to impossible for a user to save without a specialized UI. At the moment I do create 121 tiddlers per game, and I think that's already too many. ... Especially, since 1 TW will / can contain many different games. Game initial settings and game-states should be easy to save and reload. Unlimited "Undo" and "Redo" is essential for a sudoku. So data-tiddlers allow me to bundle information, because it belongs together. Just some thoughts! have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2ea58106-4468-4eb7-8fd7-901dc5dcd8fb%40googlegroups.com.
