Hi Tony

> What about adding to plugins requiring reload a red 
> $:/core/images/refresh-button 
> <http://192.168.1.81/Instances/PSaTSuitnew.html#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fimages%2Frefresh-button>
> with a tool tip saying will require save a reload after install.

The problem is that tooltips don’t work on mobile devices, so the policy of the 
core is to try to avoid relying on them. While we could add an icon to go 
alongside the current text it doesn’t seem an improvement.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> This provides all the information, is attention grabbing, or perhaps the 
> $:/core/images/info-button 
> <http://192.168.1.81/Instances/PSaTSuitnew.html#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fimages%2Finfo-button>
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 6:06:11 PM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Just to add that there’s now a warning in the import listing if a plugin will 
> require a reload.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  That's a good indicator! I am sure the feel and look will be better by 
>> release date!
>> For example font of alert, and other visual effects.
> 
> I’m still working on it and welcome suggestions.
> 
>> I thought icon can be different, but as developers may use different icons 
>> it may not work always!
> 
> Exactly, it would be a shame to hide the plugins own icon, and I’d be 
> concerned that adding an icon wouldn’t be sufficient to communicate clearly 
> to most users.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> 
>> --Mohammad
>> 
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:59:26 AM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Mohammad
>>> 
>>> Yep!
>>> Tiddlywiki uses a default icon for plugins!
>>> One solution is uses different one! Other as you said is to show it!
>> 
>> I’m still working on the display of plugins but in the current prerelease, 
>> there’s an indication in the plugin chooser whether a reload will be 
>> required in the text of the installation button:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:18:44 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>> Mohammad,
>>> 
>>> Are you simply opening them and looking to see if it contains a .js ?
>>> 
>>> With this facility soon to be available it would be nice if the plugin list 
>>> indicated such tiddlers, perhaps with an icon/ or *no reload needed
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 4:27:14 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>> Hi Tony!
>>> 
>>> - https://kookma.github.io/TW-Trashbin/ 
>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Trashbin/>
>>> - https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/ 
>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/>
>>> - https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/ <https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/>
>>> - https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/ 
>>> <https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/>
>>> - https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/ 
>>> <https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> More from here
>>>  - https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM 
>>> <https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM>
>>>  - https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Links 
>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Links>
>>> 
>>> --Mohammad
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 4:26:55 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> What are good examples of pugins that fit this approach?
>>> 
>>> I usually distribute macros via bundle and they do not need a reload to 
>>> start with. 
>>> 
>>> To test this I am looking for plugins without .js tiddlers. But find very 
>>> few (so far). Perhaps I need a tool to add to my personal plugins wiki to 
>>> search for plugins that do not contain js?.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 6:43:52 AM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> I’m pretty excited to announce that if all goes well, one of the new 
>>> features for v5.1.22 will be the ability to dynamically load/unload plugins 
>>> without needing to refresh the page. 
>>> 
>>> The catch is that this only works for plugins that do not contain any 
>>> JavaScript modules. For plugins that do contain JS modules, the behaviour 
>>> is the same as at present, with a warning message advising the user to 
>>> reload the page. The reason for this restriction is to avoid corruption due 
>>> to attempting to swap a module that is already running. Nonetheless, 
>>> there’s a huge and useful set of plugins that do not contain JS modules, 
>>> including all themes and languages. 
>>> 
>>> It’s a work in progress, and not yet merged into the prerelease: 
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4259 
>>> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4259> 
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, this means that with the proviso above, users will be 
>>> able to: 
>>> 
>>> * Add new plugins from the plugin library without reloading 
>>> * Add new plugins via drag and drop without reloading 
>>> * Delete unneeded plugins without reloading 
>>> * Eventually, to use tools like Tinka to package plugins without requiring 
>>> a reload to test 
>>> 
>>> There’s still a fair bit to do: 
>>> 
>>> * Indicate in the plugin library which plugins will require a reload 
>>> * More testing 
>>> * Documentation 
>>> 
>>> Questions and comments welcome. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes 
>>> 
>>> Jeremy. 
>>> 
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