Hi Jeremy and Arc,
today I encountered one more corruption, of a big TW (took hell of time to
recover), so today is the time to dig this more.
First, the online services. Well, they can be easily found by googling smth
like "decode text online".. well, I've done this in russian and hence used
russian services, but to give an example, I'll say that the one which
worked well is [1]. It is quite straight-forward, the first button under
the text area is "fit the encoding", the next one is to be used if you know
how the text is actually encoded, the third one is "decode as previously"
and the forth line contains examples of what you would get if you decode
with another encoding pair (the buttons sais "show"). It is a little bit
slow at times, but has a better "toolkit" which allows to decode anyway.
Two more notes: if one tries to decode a whole tiddler, he or she should be
aware that in the resulting text he'll get "<>" instead of each instance of
macro ("<<...>>"); and that for multiline content it's necessary to track
extra spacebars in the ends of lines (which appear and which can break
tables etc).
Second, I've redone the testing (with the files attached previously). I
found that my TF version was 1.0alpha10. The same tests with TW 1.0alpha12
showed no bug. I'll test with other TWs later and report if any problem
remained.
As for the "Error when including 'zz microrep commons.html':" message, it's
ok, it sais that the TiddlyWiki that is included by <<include>> macro is
not actually present.
"TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function" is a more serious issue, I
got this bug once or twice in FF but can't reproduce it (aside in FF for
Android, where I don't have many tools for debugging). Further details
about this bug are welcome in the STP thread [2].
I forgot to test a TW without STP before updating TF, so can't really be
sure what is the source of the encoding problem. STP doesn't really do
anything with encodings and with the saving procedure as a whole, so I
wouldn't expect it to be the source of the problem.. but in principle it
can drive some bugs in other engines (TF itself or some more complicated
chain).
[1] http://www.online-decoder.com/ru
[2]
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/rQz8aDt76vQ
пятница, 15 марта 2013 г., 17:47:50 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston
написал:
>
> Hi Yakov
>
> Sorry you've been having problems, but delighted you've been able to save
> your work. It might be useful for others if you could share your
> experiences of using the online services that you mentioned.
>
> I'm having trouble with the file "fet mr copy for brutal test -
> before.html". When it first opens, I get the message "Error when including
> 'zz microrep commons.html':", and then many macros failing with the error
> "TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function". I assume this is the problem
> with the SharedTiddlersPlugin that Arc reports. Can you share a version of
> the file that doesn't use STP?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Arc Acorn <[email protected]<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> My test setup: TiddlyFox 1.0Alpha11 + FireFox 19 on Windows 7 x64 (sp0)
>> Using the linked: "fet mr copy for brutal test - before.html" file.
>>
>> I had to manual delete the "SharedTiddlersPlugin" before it would let me
>> make edits, however after that I had no issues making edits and saving with
>> all the non-Latin characters staying intact.
>>
>> You may try uninstalling TiddlyFox and downloading a fresh copy:
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox
>> Maybe some how or another you got the older version that had issues of
>> this nature.
>>
>> Even though I had no issues using/saving this TiddlyWiki (2.6.5) you may
>> still consider updating to 2.7.1:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/x2aBkaFn5A0
>> To see if it helps fix your problem, as issues of a similar nature are
>> listed as the major reason for the update.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:56:23 PM UTC-7, Yakov wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with the technical details (of the
>>> saving process) to understand what do you mean.
>>>
>>> This test causes corruption of the whole non-latin content, not just of
>>> the part which was edited, so I don't understand what do you mean by
>>>
>>> > treating all content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't
>>> bother to check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be
>>> present
>>>
>>> The stored (non-edited) content should probably be in UTF-8 as TW edited
>>> it with its own engines, shouldn't it?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Yakov.
>>>
>>> четверг, 14 марта 2013 г., 15:42:59 UTC+4 пользователь Chris Dent
>>> написал:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Yakov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Jeremy,
>>>> >
>>>> > I think I have bad news. Today I edited couple of my TWs (fortunately
>>>> minor
>>>> > ones) via FF (with TiddlyFox) and they got badly corrupted. Those
>>>> wikis
>>>> > contain text in cyrillics, and seem to be wrongly encoded.
>>>> Auto-decoding
>>>> > via some online survice shows that the encoding is partially CP1163,
>>>> > partially ISO-8859-1 (and sometimes even that is not 100% correct).
>>>> > Fortunately, I've restored everything via decoding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not Jeremy, but I have a guess about what's going on. I would guess
>>>> that both TiddlyWiki and TiddlyFox are predisposed to treating all
>>>> content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't bother to
>>>> check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be
>>>> present.
>>>>
>>>> TiddlyWeb certainly takes this tactic. It minimizes complexity while
>>>> maximizing possible character representations.
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/
>>>> [...]
>>>>
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