I realize things having to do with nightly builds are always a bit iffy,
but I figure'd I would report that TiddlyFox is no longer working as of the
Firefox 23.0a1
When trying to save I get the generic "not possible to save changes"
notice.
On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:45:44 PM UTC-7, Yakov wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy and Arc,
>
> today I encountered one more corruption, of a big TW (took hell of time to
> recover), so today is the time to dig this more.
>
> First, the online services. Well, they can be easily found by googling
> smth like "decode text online".. well, I've done this in russian and hence
> used russian services, but to give an example, I'll say that the one which
> worked well is [1]. It is quite straight-forward, the first button under
> the text area is "fit the encoding", the next one is to be used if you know
> how the text is actually encoded, the third one is "decode as previously"
> and the forth line contains examples of what you would get if you decode
> with another encoding pair (the buttons sais "show"). It is a little bit
> slow at times, but has a better "toolkit" which allows to decode anyway.
> Two more notes: if one tries to decode a whole tiddler, he or she should be
> aware that in the resulting text he'll get "<>" instead of each instance of
> macro ("<<...>>"); and that for multiline content it's necessary to track
> extra spacebars in the ends of lines (which appear and which can break
> tables etc).
>
> Second, I've redone the testing (with the files attached previously). I
> found that my TF version was 1.0alpha10. The same tests with TW 1.0alpha12
> showed no bug. I'll test with other TWs later and report if any problem
> remained.
>
> As for the "Error when including 'zz microrep commons.html':" message,
> it's ok, it sais that the TiddlyWiki that is included by <<include>> macro
> is not actually present.
>
> "TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function" is a more serious issue, I
> got this bug once or twice in FF but can't reproduce it (aside in FF for
> Android, where I don't have many tools for debugging). Further details
> about this bug are welcome in the STP thread [2].
>
> I forgot to test a TW without STP before updating TF, so can't really be
> sure what is the source of the encoding problem. STP doesn't really do
> anything with encodings and with the saving procedure as a whole, so I
> wouldn't expect it to be the source of the problem.. but in principle it
> can drive some bugs in other engines (TF itself or some more complicated
> chain).
>
> [1] http://www.online-decoder.com/ru
> [2]
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/rQz8aDt76vQ
>
> пятница, 15 марта 2013 г., 17:47:50 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston
> написал:
>>
>> Hi Yakov
>>
>> Sorry you've been having problems, but delighted you've been able to save
>> your work. It might be useful for others if you could share your
>> experiences of using the online services that you mentioned.
>>
>> I'm having trouble with the file "fet mr copy for brutal test -
>> before.html". When it first opens, I get the message "Error when including
>> 'zz microrep commons.html':", and then many macros failing with the error
>> "TypeError: a.fetchTiddler is not a function". I assume this is the problem
>> with the SharedTiddlersPlugin that Arc reports. Can you share a version of
>> the file that doesn't use STP?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Arc Acorn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My test setup: TiddlyFox 1.0Alpha11 + FireFox 19 on Windows 7 x64 (sp0)
>>> Using the linked: "fet mr copy for brutal test - before.html" file.
>>>
>>> I had to manual delete the "SharedTiddlersPlugin" before it would let me
>>> make edits, however after that I had no issues making edits and saving with
>>> all the non-Latin characters staying intact.
>>>
>>> You may try uninstalling TiddlyFox and downloading a fresh copy:
>>> https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox
>>> Maybe some how or another you got the older version that had issues of
>>> this nature.
>>>
>>> Even though I had no issues using/saving this TiddlyWiki (2.6.5) you may
>>> still consider updating to 2.7.1:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/x2aBkaFn5A0
>>> To see if it helps fix your problem, as issues of a similar nature are
>>> listed as the major reason for the update.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:56:23 PM UTC-7, Yakov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with the technical details (of the
>>>> saving process) to understand what do you mean.
>>>>
>>>> This test causes corruption of the whole non-latin content, not just of
>>>> the part which was edited, so I don't understand what do you mean by
>>>>
>>>> > treating all content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't
>>>> bother to check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be
>>>> present
>>>>
>>>> The stored (non-edited) content should probably be in UTF-8 as TW
>>>> edited it with its own engines, shouldn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Yakov.
>>>>
>>>> четверг, 14 марта 2013 г., 15:42:59 UTC+4 пользователь Chris Dent
>>>> написал:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Yakov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi Jeremy,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think I have bad news. Today I edited couple of my TWs
>>>>> (fortunately minor
>>>>> > ones) via FF (with TiddlyFox) and they got badly corrupted. Those
>>>>> wikis
>>>>> > contain text in cyrillics, and seem to be wrongly encoded.
>>>>> Auto-decoding
>>>>> > via some online survice shows that the encoding is partially CP1163,
>>>>> > partially ISO-8859-1 (and sometimes even that is not 100% correct).
>>>>> > Fortunately, I've restored everything via decoding.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not Jeremy, but I have a guess about what's going on. I would guess
>>>>> that both TiddlyWiki and TiddlyFox are predisposed to treating all
>>>>> content as UTF-8 encoded and _nothing_ else and don't bother to
>>>>> check before decoding or encoding what encoding might already be
>>>>> present.
>>>>>
>>>>> TiddlyWeb certainly takes this tactic. It minimizes complexity while
>>>>> maximizing possible character representations.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/
>>>>> [...]
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>>
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