Hi Yakov The download button could be a bit more prominent... Scroll down on five.tiddlywiki.com to get to the tiddler "TiddlyWiki5 Editions", then click on the link to "TiddlyWiki5 Standalone Edition". There you'll find a link to empty.html which you can write click and save.
Best wishes Jeremy On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Yakov <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > what's the usual way of getting TW5? I've saved the page of [1] via > FireFox (which brought an .htm) and that instance is not able to save > (TiddlyFox sais > > [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 > (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.create]" nsresult: "0x80004005 > (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: > chrome://tiddlyfox/content/overlay.js :: TiddlyFox.saveFile :: line 96" > data: no] > > on an attempt to save; I accepted TiddlyFox to save when the prompt > appeared onload). Can't see any "download" button at [1] :) > > Best regards, > Yakov. > > [1] five.tiddlywiki.com > > понедельник, 19 августа 2013 г., 16:57:42 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston > написал: >> >> Hi Yakov >> >> Thanks for that. I've committed a first pass at a saver for AndTidWiki to >> GitHub and five.tiddlywiki.com, I'd be very grateful if you could give >> it a go. >> >> The code is here: >> >> https://github.com/Jermolene/**TiddlyWiki5/commit/** >> 1fd59a4bd312ead20251da80dd7bce**b52f9c2bb0<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/1fd59a4bd312ead20251da80dd7bceb52f9c2bb0> >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Yakov <yakov.litv...@gmail.**com>wrote: >> >>> Hi Jeremy, >>> >>> четверг, 15 августа 2013 г., 21:34:50 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston >>> написал: >>>> >>>> Hi Yakov >>>> >>>> checked that. AndTidWiki changes saveFile function: its test is the >>>>> following >>>>> >>>>> function (fileUrl,content) { >>>>> return window.twi.saveFile(fileUrl,**co**ntent); >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> so presumably to make TW5 work with ATW, one should use that >>>>> window.twi.saveFile interface in the TW5 saving engine. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That's great. There's two other things we need to figure out: >>>> >>>> 1) How AndTidWiki detects a TiddlyWiki document to determine if it >>>> should inject it's code (it's possible that it injects it's code into all >>>> HTML files, not just specifically TiddlyWikis). Right now TW5 is unlikely >>>> to be detected as a TiddlyWiki file. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't expect ATW somehow detect a TW file. And my test somewhat >>> confirms this: an html >>> >>> <html> >>> <body> >>> <p><a href="javascript:;" onclick=' >>> alert(saveFile); >>> '>let's try</a></p> >>> </body> >>> </html> >>> >>> shows the save text of saveFile onclick. >>> >>> 2) How the fileUrl parameter has been mangled and encoded by the time >>>> that the saveFile() function is called. >>>> >>>> Well, the simplest idea for this is to create a function that copies >>> the way the path is formed in TWc in saveChanges before it is passed to >>> saveFile, isn't it? According to the current core code, that would be >>> >>> var originalPath = document.location.toString(); // not netscape, >>> convertUriToUTF8 >>> is not needed in ATW >>> >>> // Remove any location or query part of the URL >>> var argPos = originalPath.indexOf("?"); >>> if(argPos != -1) >>> originalPath = originalPath.substr(0,argPos); >>> var hashPos = originalPath.indexOf("#"); >>> if(hashPos != -1) >>> originalPath = originalPath.substr(0,hashPos)**; >>> >>> // Convert file://localhost/ to file:/// (is not needed in >>> ATW) >>> if(originalPath.indexOf("file:**//localhost/") == 0) >>> originalPath = "file://" + originalPath.substr(16); >>> >>> // Convert to a native file format (in ATW, the third >>> case takes place) >>> //# "file:///x:/path/path/path..." - pc local file --> >>> "x:\path\path\path..." >>> //# "file://///server/share/path/**path/path..." - FireFox pc network >>> file --> "\\server\share\path\path\**path..." >>> //# "file:///path/path/path..." - mac/unix local file --> >>> "/path/path/path..." >>> //# "file://server/share/path/**path/path..." - pc network file --> >>> "\\server\share\path\path\**path..." >>> var localPath; >>> if(originalPath.charAt(9) == ":") // pc local file >>> localPath = unescape(originalPath.substr(**8)).replace(new >>> RegExp("/","g"),"\\"); >>> else if(originalPath.indexOf("file:**/////") == 0) // FireFox pc >>> network file >>> localPath = "\\\\" + unescape(originalPath.substr(**10)).replace(new >>> RegExp("/","g"),"\\"); >>> else if(originalPath.indexOf("file:**///") == 0) // mac/unix local file >>> localPath = unescape(originalPath.substr(**7)); >>> else if(originalPath.indexOf("file:**/") == 0) // mac/unix local file >>> localPath = unescape(originalPath.substr(**5)); >>> else // pc network file >>> localPath = "\\\\" + unescape(originalPath.substr(**7)).replace(new >>> RegExp("/","g"),"\\"); >>> >>> return localPath; >>> >>> So probably this can be shortened further (cut unnecessary cases, >>> localhost cut etc). >>> >>> A quick hack to determine the answer to (2) would be if you could modify >>>> a TW classic file to insert "alert(localPath)" just before the call to >>>> saveFile() in the saveMain() function. Then can you attempt a save under >>>> AndTidWiki, and note the path that is alerted. Ideally, could you include a >>>> character like "%" in the filename. >>>> >>> >>> An example of originalPath is "file:///mnt/sdcard/...../atw test.html" >>> and the corresponding localPath is "/mnt/sdcard/...../atw test.html". >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Yakov. >>> >>> >>>> I'm not sure how to deal with (1); if you can help with (2) I'll create >>>> an exploratory TW5 saver for AndTidWiki and we can experiment further. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> >>>> Jeremy >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Yakov. >>>>> >>>>> четверг, 15 августа 2013 г., 11:13:21 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston >>>>> написал: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Yakov >>>>>> >>>>>> There are two ways that TiddlyWiki can interact with a server: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. By saving the entire file to the server (this is how TiddlySpot >>>>>> works, and the iPhone/iPad app TWEdit) >>>>>> 2. By syncing changes to individual tiddlers to the server (this is >>>>>> how TiddlyWeb/TiddlySpace works) >>>>>> >>>>>> I would expect AndTidWiki to work using the first technique. >>>>>> Typically that would be done by injecting code that overrides the >>>>>> saveChanges function, or the lower level saveFile/loadFile functions. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can see an example of the technique in the source to TiddlyFox. >>>>>> This is the javascript file that TiddlyFox injects into TiddlyWiki >>>>>> documents: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/******TiddlyFox/blob/master/content/*** >>>>>> ***inject.js<https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/master/content/inject.js> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can see the internal functions being overridden at lines 50 to 53. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Yakov <yakov.litv...@gmail.**com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> пятница, 2 августа 2013 г., 14:27:41 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy >>>>>>> Ruston написал: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> понедельник, 29 июля 2013 г., 15:43:02 UTC+4 пользователь Arlen >>>>>>>>> Beiler написал: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Using TiddlyWiki5 which I just downloaded in AndTidWiki, I can >>>>>>>>>> edit fine, but when I try to save it, I get an Internal Javascript >>>>>>>>>> Error. >>>>>>>>>> "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getItem' of null". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's unfortunate. Theoretically it's possible to "emulate" the >>>>>>>>> saving engine of TWc in TW5 by a plugin, but that's far from my >>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>> (I haven't researched TW5 core yet, and also don't quite understand >>>>>>>>> how ATW >>>>>>>>> and TW interact). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree that we should be able to make TW5 work with the existing >>>>>>>> AndTidWiki app. I don't have an Android device for testing, and have >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> bad experiences in the past with the poor performance of the Android >>>>>>>> emulator. So I'd be very grateful if anyone can help with information >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the way that AndTidWiki works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jeremy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not familiar with how TiddlyWiki interacts with any server side, >>>>>>> so may be you can help me with that first.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the chain >>>>>>> config.macros.saveChanges.**onCl****ick - saveChanges - saveMain - >>>>>>> saveFile - ... >>>>>>> doesn't seem to have anything that's "awaiting" server side, so >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my only guess on where server side can jump in is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki.prototype.**allTiddle****rsAsHtml - >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki.prototype.getSaver - TW21Saver/some other saver - >>>>>>> .externalize - >>>>>>> .externalizeTiddler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so is it true that usually server sides create their own SaverBase >>>>>>> instance with their own externalizeTiddler method and change >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki.prototype.getSaver and that's how they make TW use some new >>>>>>> functionality to save? Or is it done somehow else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Yakov. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Yakov <yakov.litv...@gmail.**com >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Leo, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> by the way, have you tried AndTidWiki? As for now, I only use >>>>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki Classic on Android, so don't know if TW5 works with it. >>>>>>>>>>> As a >>>>>>>>>>> side note: with AndTidWiki, I only have to add >>>>>>>>>>> ToggleLeft/RightSidebar [1], >>>>>>>>>>> add a line-menu on top by changing PageTemplate and a few CSS >>>>>>>>>>> adjustments, >>>>>>>>>>> while FireFox needs some more work on styles (in fact, I need to >>>>>>>>>>> create a >>>>>>>>>>> plugin which will apply different styles depending on what >>>>>>>>>>> "browser" opened >>>>>>>>>>> TW). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Yakov. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://tiddlytools.com/#**Toggle********RightSidebar%** >>>>>>>>>>> 20ToggleLeftSideb********ar<http://tiddlytools.com/#ToggleRightSidebar%20ToggleLeftSidebar> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> вторник, 16 июля 2013 г., 8:54:26 UTC+4 пользователь Leo Staley >>>>>>>>>>> написал: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Eric! I didn't know how to do that from my Android. >>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox didn't install it when I clicked on it like I thought it >>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>> have. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> After downloading it with another browser (because firefox >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't let me "save link" on long-press) and opening the file using >>>>>>>>>>>> firefox, I was able to install it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly though, no "save" button appears under the tools menu. >>>>>>>>>>>> The button at the top, to download a copy of the page worked once, >>>>>>>>>>>> but i'm >>>>>>>>>>>> having trouble doing it again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, when i create a new tiddler, I first have to >>>>>>>>>>>> delete the existing text in both the title and the main text area, >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> takes some time with an android keyboard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Eric, How compatible are most of the items on TiddlyTools with >>>>>>>>>>>> Tiddly5? Is development still continuing with the current edition >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Tiddlywiki, and if so, in what Capacity? Forgive me for being such >>>>>>>>>>>> a noob. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:15:47 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:13:16 PM UTC-7, Leo Staley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> More significantly, There was no way to save any changes I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> made. Took me a while to realize that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As Jeremy noted in his previous post: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "... install TiddlyFox to save changes locally on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> device (https://github.com/TiddlyWiki******** >>>>>>>>>>>>> /TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfo********x.xpi<https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi> >>>>>>>>>>>>> )." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy, >>>>>>>>>>>>> -e >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Shulman >>>>>>>>>>>>> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY "TIP JAR"... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#D********onations<http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Donations> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#C********ontact<http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jeremy Ruston >> mailto:[email protected] >> > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. 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