Bill Hawkins wrote:
I'm not learning anything from this thread because I don't know the
purpose of DMTD or how it would produce a beat note for a phase error.

Now, DTMF I understand.

Bill Hawkins


A dual mixer time difference (DMTD) system for 10MHz with a 10Hz beat note frequency would use a pair of mixers with a common LO frequency of say 9.99999 MHz.
The mixer RF input signal for each mixer would be nominally 10.000000MHz.
Each 10MHz frequency to be compared is connected to the RF input of one mixer. The mixer If output is low pass filtered to eliminate the unwanted sum frequency and other spurious products.
The resultant mixer output is nominally 10Hz.
The phase shift between the 2 10Hz beat frequency outputs is equal to the phase shift between the 2 10MHz signals being compared. Measuring the time interval between the zero crossing of one beat frequency output signal and the corresponding zero crossing of the other beat frequency output is to first order independent of the phase (and phase fluctuations) of the common LO signal. Its much easier using classical signal processing techniques to measure such phase differences at 10Hz than at 10MHz.

However classical DMTD systems suffer from aliasing as the zero crossing detectors only sample the phase once per cycle and the low pass filter has a bandwidth greater than the Nyquist limit (otherwise the amplitude of the beat frequency at the filter output would be very small). If the noise is white phase noise then aliasing doesnt produce any artifacts. If the phase noise is highly coloured the aliasing artifacts will also be small.

Bruce


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