Comming soon to a voting booth near you. YMMV,
-John ============== > And don't get me started on "Smart Growth", the International Council for > Local Environmental Initiatives and Agenda 21. > > All designed to move us into dense urban living conditions with fixed mass > transit and odious rules as to what kind of light bulb we can use, what > kind > of toilet we can install, construction practices and materials, etc... > > A lot of people are decrying this as tinfoil hat bleating but if you > actually read the proposals and observe places where they have been > enacted > (Portland, OR), the result is not what one would expect, quite the > opposite > because nobody wants to live in conditions like that. > > http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/individual/2012/05/all_hail_our_master > mind_overlords_the_iclei.html > > When I moved to where I am now, the specific request to my realtor was > that > there be zero CC&Rs. I am in unincorporated Whatcom County -- the City of > Bellingham is a member of ICLEI and talking to local builders, getting a > permit for anything besides the County's "smart growth" initiatives is > like > pulling teeth. > > Like John said, these get slipstreamed in with popular measures and not > talked about in the press. > > Dave > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. Forster >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 18:17 >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >> Absolutely! >> >> Often as not, a bunch of new rules and regulations are >> "bundled" with some >> popular measure. The popular measure gets the press, the rest of the >> package gets ignored. >> >> That happens at all levels of government. Purposely so. >> >> -John >> >> =============== >> >> >> > HI >> > >> > . and if you believe that these sort of restrictions are >> passed one at a >> > time locally.. not so much. The "easy way" is for your >> local government to >> > simply adopt an "up to date" package of rules. Rarely do >> any of those >> > voting understand what in the package. Rarely does the vote >> get anything >> > more than passing notice in the local community. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "J. Forster" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> If you are under the impression living in an older, built >> up area will >> >> be >> >> a defense against those with a Martha Stewart fetish, you >> are wrong. >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> ================ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old >> >>> neighborhoods >> >>> that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place >> when they were >> >>> built. There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise >> chickens, but >> >>> not >> >>> cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your >> >>> house, >> >>> or the window coverings you can have or how long you can >> park your car >> >>> in >> >>> the driveway. Yes, things can change, but at least it's >> not in place >> >>> in >> >>> the beginning- and we can monitor implementation of any >> changes, at >> >>> least >> >>> in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that >> >>> monitor >> >>> such things, specifically because we like the status quo). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly >> >>> restrictions, >> >>> I just would never buy into one. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -Dave >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: "J. Forster" <[email protected]> >> >>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >>> >> >>> Earth to Dave: >> >>> >> >>> Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy >> a piece of >> >>> property or do something perfectly legal. >> >>> >> >>> Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town >> >>> Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session. >> >>> >> >>> YMMV, >> >>> >> >>> -John >> >>> >> >>> =========== >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a >> >>>> development or with a HOA. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -Dave >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: "Bob Camp" <[email protected]> >> >>>> To: [email protected], "Discussion of precise time and frequency >> >>>> measurement" <[email protected]> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi >> >>>> >> >>>> .... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are >> also on the >> >>>> list >> >>>> of >> >>>> things you are not supposed to do. >> >>>> >> >>>> Bob >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>> On >> >>>> Behalf Of J. Forster >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM >> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >>>> >> >>>> Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall. >> >>>> >> >>>> -John >> >>>> >> >>>> ============= >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that >> looks like an >> >>>>> antenna >> >>>>> to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked >> like a vent pipe? >> >>>>> or >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF >> antenna, But, a >> >>>>> 1.5 >> >>>>> GHz >> >>>>> antenna can be virtually invisible. >> >>>>> Dale NV8U >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>> From: Bob Camp >> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM >> >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a >> new house >> >>>>> without >> >>>>> there being various conditions written into the title. >> One universal >> >>>>> one >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> "no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat >> dish for TV, >> >>>>> since >> >>>>> that's a federal mandate. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bob >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>>> On >> >>>>> Behalf Of brent evers >> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM >> >>>>> To: [email protected]; Discussion of precise time and frequency >> >>>>> measurement >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Zoning, Legal? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Where? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Brent >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> Because: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> LORAN-C is gone. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon, >> zoning, legal, and >> >>>>>> other >> >>>>>> issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -John >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ================== >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement >> >>>>>>> that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Will àNIST publish a public domain reference circuit? >> >>>>>>> That would allay patent concerns. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R àà[email protected] à>> >>>>>>> www.omen.com >> >>>>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications >> >>>>>>> ààOmen Technology Inc ààà"The High >> Reliability >> >>>>>>> Software" >> >>>>>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 à>> 503-614-0430 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >>> To unsubscribe, go to >> >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe, go to >> >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >> and follow the instructions there. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> > To unsubscribe, go to >> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> > and follow the instructions there. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
