Unfortunately it's not that easy. Where I lived for a long time I kept trying to
nail down various candidates on their positions on such things like ham radio
antennas and it was maddeningly frustrating. I was actually asked to run for
office at one point, maybe I should of. If nothing else the town would have been
great for hams.
Peter
On 9/27/2012 10:42 PM, J. Forster wrote:
Comming soon to a voting booth near you.
YMMV,
-John
==============
And don't get me started on "Smart Growth", the International Council for
Local Environmental Initiatives and Agenda 21.
All designed to move us into dense urban living conditions with fixed mass
transit and odious rules as to what kind of light bulb we can use, what
kind
of toilet we can install, construction practices and materials, etc...
A lot of people are decrying this as tinfoil hat bleating but if you
actually read the proposals and observe places where they have been
enacted
(Portland, OR), the result is not what one would expect, quite the
opposite
because nobody wants to live in conditions like that.
http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/individual/2012/05/all_hail_our_master
mind_overlords_the_iclei.html
When I moved to where I am now, the specific request to my realtor was
that
there be zero CC&Rs. I am in unincorporated Whatcom County -- the City of
Bellingham is a member of ICLEI and talking to local builders, getting a
permit for anything besides the County's "smart growth" initiatives is
like
pulling teeth.
Like John said, these get slipstreamed in with popular measures and not
talked about in the press.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 18:17
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Absolutely!
Often as not, a bunch of new rules and regulations are
"bundled" with some
popular measure. The popular measure gets the press, the rest of the
package gets ignored.
That happens at all levels of government. Purposely so.
-John
===============
HI
…. and if you believe that these sort of restrictions are
passed one at a
time locally.. not so much. The "easy way" is for your
local government to
simply adopt an "up to date" package of rules. Rarely do
any of those
voting understand what in the package. Rarely does the vote
get anything
more than passing notice in the local community.
Bob
On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "J. Forster" <[email protected]> wrote:
If you are under the impression living in an older, built
up area will
be
a defense against those with a Martha Stewart fetish, you
are wrong.
-John
================
Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old
neighborhoods
that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place
when they were
built. There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise
chickens, but
not
cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your
house,
or the window coverings you can have or how long you can
park your car
in
the driveway. Yes, things can change, but at least it's
not in place
in
the beginning- and we can monitor implementation of any
changes, at
least
in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that
monitor
such things, specifically because we like the status quo).
I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly
restrictions,
I just would never buy into one.
-Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Forster" <[email protected]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Earth to Dave:
Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy
a piece of
property or do something perfectly legal.
Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town
Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session.
YMMV,
-John
===========
These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a
development or with a HOA.
-Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Camp" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], "Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Hi
.... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are
also on the
list
of
things you are not supposed to do.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall.
-John
=============
Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that
looks like an
antenna
to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked
like a vent pipe?
or
a
Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF
antenna, But, a
1.5
GHz
antenna can be virtually invisible.
Dale NV8U
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Camp
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Hi
Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a
new house
without
there being various conditions written into the title.
One universal
one
is
"no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat
dish for TV,
since
that's a federal mandate.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On
Behalf Of brent evers
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM
To: [email protected]; Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
Zoning, Legal?
Where?
Brent
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster
<[email protected]> wrote:
Because:
LORAN-C is gone.
Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon,
zoning, legal, and
other
issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers.
There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF.
-John
==================
I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement
that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO.
Will  NIST publish a public domain reference circuit?
That would allay patent concerns.
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