Hi

GPS receivers have gotten better over the years. The early Motorola receivers 
were relatively deaf compared to a TBolt. A TBolt is a bit deaf compared to a 
LEA5-T. 

My bet for the actual problem is that HP is doing elevation masks and s/n 
detection in their firmware rather than in the receiver.

Bob

On Nov 5, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Ed Palmer <ed_pal...@sasktel.net> wrote:

> Hi Azelio,
> 
> On 11/5/2012 4:09 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote:
>> Very interesting... is it using the binary protocol?
> 
> Yes, standard Motorola binary format.
> 
>> Maybe a serial link
>> error, the binary protocol has a checksum (yes, NMEA too). Check the serial
>> link levels with a 'scope, maybe that the Z3801 firmware waits to see some
>> consecutive errors before actually reporting that something is wrong,
>> meanwhile the satellite number is set to 0.
> 
> The link is TTL, not RS-232.  The power supply to the VP is 4V93 and the 
> logic levels on the scope are maybe 0V2 and 4V8 so no problem there.
> 
> I've tried disconnecting the 1 PPS and/or the data line from the VP to the 
> Z3801A.  The Z3801A reports the loss of 1 PPS quickly, but in either case, 
> waits for quite a while before getting upset.  I haven't been able to corrupt 
> a message to see what effect that has, but I think it would have to be a very 
> specific form of corruption to be accepted.  In any case, although that might 
> explain the drop to zero satellites tracked, it wouldn't explain the 
> situation where the VP reports fewer satellites tracked than the Z3801A does. 
>  This occurs frequently.  I don't know if the two situations (drop to zero 
> and fewer satellites) are related or not.
> 
> By the way, I was initially using SynTac and Z38XX to gather the data.  Since 
> I couldn't believe the results, I replaced both with a program I quickly 
> hacked together to gather and parse the raw data from both units.  The 
> results were the same.
> 
> Ed
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Ed Palmer <ed_pal...@sasktel.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've had a Z3801A for about a year.  It's always had an issue where the
>>> number of satellites tracked will drop to zero for one or two readings and
>>> then jump right back where it was ( often at 5 or 6 satellites ).  This
>>> often (but not always) affects the EFC and/or PPS and/or HUP.  My Tbolt is
>>> running on the same antenna via an HP58536A splitter with no problems.
>>>  I've changed cables and splitter ports with no improvement.  I've also
>>> checked the  power supply voltages and the frequencies of the two crystals
>>> on the Z3801A board.  All are fine.
>>> 
>>> I assumed that the VP was flaky so I recently pulled it out for testing
>>> and found no problems.  I then tapped into the link between the VP and the
>>> Z3801A and found that the number of tracked satellites reported by the
>>> Z3801A is often less than the number reported by the VP.  Specifically,
>>> I've seen the VP report 6 satellites tracked at the exact same second that
>>> the Z3801A is claiming that there are no (zero) satellites tracked.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there are any hidden parameters that the Z3801A is
>>> using to decide if a satellite is acceptable?  I looked through the manual
>>> but I couldn't find anything.  Is there a command I'm missing?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ed
> 
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