Another mystery - what is on the three short pins? Usually that is done for hot-plugging things and connects the ground first before the power is applied. In this case, maybe it is some critical data lines that do not want dirty signals? I will play some more later tonight.

Regards,
Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Camp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812...


Hi

The supplied cable is indeed very short. It’s also quite stiff and a bit flakey (intermittent). I would bet at least one cold order of fries that there is no bi-directional serial between the two units. If there was, I doubt our little pin shorting exercises would get things running.

If there is no serial at all (no GPS data), that makes using the slave for a variety of projects quite simple (and thus attractive). One back burner TimeNut project is an ensemble clock.

If they are not looking at GPS strings, they are not doing sawtooth correction. That is an interesting observation (if true). These boxes have roots in the paranoid GPS SA era, so that might not be a big surprise.

Bob

On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:32 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts <[email protected]> wrote:

Given the expected close proximity of these units, presumably it was only
ever intended that they should work as a pair, and I remember Stu Cobb
commenting on how short the supplied link cable is, I wouldn't be too surprised if there turns out to be no serial comms between the units but perhaps just
handshaking via asserted levels.

Regards

Nigel
GM8PZR


In a message dated 02/11/2014 20:12:35 GMT Standard Time, [email protected]
writes:

Hi

Yes, getting the GPS version worked out is certainly the thing most people
will be after. Doing the other box is a bit further down the  road. The
main thing (to me) is documenting the 15 pin connector as best we can. That way whatever somebody decides to do in the future, they have a good starting
point. Identifying which pins look like RS-422 and which look like  CMOS
would go a long way to figuring both sides of this out. When I did the other connectors, I just ran through them with a DVM. 2.5V = 422 input, 1.5 or 3.5
= 422 output. I didn’t have any CMOS. Everything else was either open
circuit or ground.

Bob

On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:01 PM,  GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
<[email protected]> wrote:

Ah, I had wondered about that but was probably being a bit selfish  as I

only have the GPS based units:-)

Given the  similarity, I would assume where we've got to on these
wouldn't
be a bad starting point, and at least identifying the 1PPS input on the

interface connector should be straightforward enough.

Regards

Nigel GM8PZR



In a message dated 02/11/2014 19:41:07 GMT Standard Time,  [email protected]
writes:

Hi

No,  once we get the GPS end worked out, we need to do the  same thing
for
the non-GPS end. If we can fake it into working with just a   PPS, it’s
the
perfect thing to use to attach an OCXO to a newer GPS (like the Jackson
Labs
part …).

Bob

On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:15 PM,  GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
<[email protected]> wrote:

Hi  Gotz

That's great stuff, thank you, I'll try  that  later.

At this rate we'll soon be finding  ways of doing this  without any
wiring
whatsoever, perhaps we could start with just  standing it upside down
in
a
dark corner on the night of the  full  moon:-)

Regards

Nigel
GM8PZR


In a message  dated 02/11/2014 17:58:12 GMT  Standard Time,
[email protected]
writes:



Am  02.11.2014 15:08, :
Ooh err, whoops, and oh dear    !!

Arthur, I've only just had a chance to  look at  your latest  photos,
and
unless I've really  got my wires  crossed, if you'll pardon  the
expression:-),
your links on J5 are not shown on pins 2,  10,  12, and 15,  but on
pins
4,  6,
11, and 13.

As   far  as I'm aware the numbering from the front of that connector
as

shown
starts in the top right hand  corner and every  row is  numbered right
to
left.
That's certainly  how mine are numbered   anyway, and I wired them
accordingly,  and it worked, so  where the heck  does that leave us
now?:-)

--------------------------
thanks Nigel for detecting this glitch. I removed all jumpers now and
tested  some   reasonable new/old combinations resulting in very simple
scheme:
it seems  to be sufficient to connect  pin2 and pin3 to  pin8 (ground).
Numbering as  provided  by Nigel and markings on my  15  pin-plug.

Götz

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