Hi Equally to the point - don’t overpay.
A unit that needs a whole bunch of attention is worth less than something that fires up and “just works”. In this case entry level “just works” is priced below $200. Stuff with historical significance - sure, you could easily pay more for that. To me it’ll be another 20 years before the mid-90’s GPS gear becomes “historical”. It’s easy to get caught up in some of this stuff. I have piles and piles of this and that to prove the point. Bob > On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:17 PM, paul swed <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes funny how those things tend to work. > If you have good enough life will fill in with other things pretty quickly. > As an example I have an old austron 2201 GPS unit that really does a nice > job of showing offsets. But with the GPS rollover and other annoyances its > actually a pain in the butt to fire up. > Far to spoiled by the modern things you fire up walk away and 30-120 min > later pretty darn stable. > Regard > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Farthing <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Thanks for the advice and offers to help. I think I will pass on the >> Proteus. I have already have a rubidium standard and getting the Proteus >> to work is probably going to take up more time than I have available for a >> while. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Steve G0XAR >> >> On Thursday, 5 November 2015, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Send time-nuts mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visite >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of time-nuts digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Stephen Farthing) >>> 2. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Bob Camp) >>> 3. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (paul swed) >>> 4. General Radio frequency standard question... (Burt I. Weiner) >>> 5. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Rob Sherwood.) >>> 6. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> ([email protected] <javascript:;>) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:25:39 +0000 >>> From: Stephen Farthing <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> Subject: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAAx2MdJJOU6rcz=EV-SQng-TBKwBvcFMMOjUwUhr0oSZe1QK= >>> [email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I >>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >> uses a >>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >> has >>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >> Windows >>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>> problem. >>> >>> Any comments great fully received. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Steve G0XAR >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:47:36 -0500 >>> From: Bob Camp <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> Message-ID: <[email protected] >> <javascript:;>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> In general running Win 95 software on Win 10 is not a real good bet. It’s >>> slightly more >>> likely to work with Win 10 Pro than with the entry level version. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <[email protected] >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >> manual I >>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>> uses a >>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>> has >>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>> Windows >>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Steve G0XAR >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] <javascript:;> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:19:41 -0500 >>> From: paul swed <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> Message-ID: >>> < >>> cad2jfag_znczh6t3-eezlbrb2mmnabx2mhqwja+sm72w+vm...@mail.gmail.com >>> <javascript:;>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Steve >>> My very small 10 cents. >>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98 >>> sp2 region. >>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was. >>> >>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you >>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then >> most >>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues. >>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun. >>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the >>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up. >>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain. >>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-) >>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck. >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> WB8TSL >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <[email protected] >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >> manual I >>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>> uses a >>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>> has >>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>> Windows >>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Steve G0XAR >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] <javascript:;> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:07:42 -0800 >>> From: "Burt I. Weiner" <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> Subject: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question... >>> Message-ID: <[email protected] >> <javascript:;> >>>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> I'm trying to remember the model number of the GR Comparison Scope - >>> the one that had the anode in the center of the face of the >>> CRT. Something like an 1109A or B? Can someone refresh my >>> memory. At one time I was looking for one of those - maybe I still am. >>> >>> Burt, K6OQK >>> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question >>>> >>>> There is a GR group on Yahoo but its pretty quiet. >>>> >>>> I joined when I started restoring one of the GR early synthesizers a >>> 1161A, >>>> the a 1115A >>>> oscillator (the one where the dewer got destroyed in shipping). >>> >>> Burt I. Weiner Associates >>> Broadcast Technical Services >>> Glendale, California U.S.A. >>> [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> www.biwa.cc >>> K6OQK >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:59:26 +0000 >>> From: Rob Sherwood. <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> Message-ID: <[email protected] >> <javascript:;>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> For multiple reasons I install serial cards in my Win7 desktops. >>> On the issue of the Win95 program, it may not run because the CPU is too >>> fast. >>> Rob >>> NC0b >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, "paul swed" <[email protected] >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> My very small 10 cents. >>>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was >> win98 >>>> sp2 region. >>>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was. >>>> >>>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let >> you >>>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then >>> most >>>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues. >>>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun. >>>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the >>>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go >> up. >>>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain. >>>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. >> :-) >>>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck. >>>> Regards >>>> Paul >>>> WB8TSL >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <[email protected] >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >> manual >>> I >>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>> uses a >>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>> has >>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>> Windows >>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make >> a >>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Steve G0XAR >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] <javascript:;> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] <javascript:;> >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If this email is spam, report it to >>>> >>> >> https://support.onlymyemail.com/view/report_spam/ODExMjI6MTgyMjYyODM2OTpyb2JAbmMwYi5jb206ZGVsaXZlcmVk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:18:44 -0500 >>> From: [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>> Message-ID: <[email protected] <javascript:;>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> I've got one of these, also came to me new in the box but that was >> around >>> twelve years ago and other than a short period of testing has stayed >> there >>> ever since, nothing wrong with it as far as I can remember just too >> much >>> stuff, too much to do, and Thunderbolts and the like do take up a bit >> less >>> space:-) >>> >>> How long do you have before you need to make a decision?, I can let you >>> have a copy of the software if you want to play with that first, and the >>> manual too if you don't have ongoing access to it at the moment. >>> >>> Interestingly, the Proteus software is badged Symmetricom, although I >>> don't recall anything to suggest that they and Parthus had any working >>> relationship. >>> >>> My manual indicates the software as suitable for Win95, Win98, and NT, >>> which does rather show its age:-), but I've run it ok on a P4 WinXP >> machine >>> using a standard RS232 port. >>> I could try an installation under Win7 via a USB to serial adapter but my >>> Proteus is tucked away in its box so I would need a bit of time to get it >>> set up, and whilst that obviously won't confirm it will work with Win 10 >>> it >>> might at least be a step nearer. >>> >>> Unfortunately whilst the manual does give information on the message >> format >>> for the time port output it doesn't for the control port, just refers to >>> the supplied CDU software. >>> Presumably it could be sniffed at the port but the manual does state that >>> the messages are binary format and that a terminal emulator can't be >> used >>> for control. >>> >>> The Proteus was supplied in 12, 24, and 48 Volt versions, and this will >> be >>> indicated on the label on the unit. One thing to be aware of, just in >> case >>> it doesn't come with original antenna, is that the antenna port feeds 12 >>> Volts DC to the antenna, rather than 5 Volts, or even 3.3 Volts, as >> often >>> found later. As far as I remember this isn't made clear in the manual. >>> >>> Week 1024 rollover is discussed in the manual and shouldn't have been an >>> issue, at least that's what they said for the 1999 rollover:-), but >> again I >>> can check that if you don't need to make a decision in the next day or >> so. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Nigel >>> GM8PZR >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual >> I >>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >> uses >>> a >>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >> has >>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >> Windows >>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>> problem. >>> >>> Any comments great fully received. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Steve G0XAR >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list >>> [email protected] <javascript:;> >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of time-nuts Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5 >>> ***************************************** >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
