Hi

There are a number of issues with what they are proposing:

1) Inside a building you have reflections. Those reflections create dead spots. 
A “no antenna” FM radio
is not very good at sorting that stuff out. If you get the station and I don’t 
… that’s a problem.

2) If you have radios from different manufacturers, the sensitivity will vary 
quite a bit. What I can hear easily
on my Sony is not even out of the noise on my USB radio stick. 

3) If the station is like most, the RDSS tags are .. ummm …. errr .. a bit 
random. I sync to this, you sync to 
that and we don’t have the same time. 

4) Even if we both are on the same station, you have wonderful things like 
multi path and IF delay that are going to
skew the time outputs. If tenth second timing is ok, this isn’t a problem. Most 
TDMA systems move a lot faster 
than that. 

5) At least around here, if I start at the bottom of the band (as they 
propose), I’m picking up low power FM stations 
run by college dorms and the like. They probably are the least likely of any 
stations out there to be reliable sources
of timing. 

That’s just with a few minutes thought ….

For time sync, broadcast signals are a pretty well studied topic. Sync signals 
from TV stations are a much better 
“target” if you want to do local timing sync. You still have all the multi path 
issues, but working out what’s what is 
a bit easier. 

Bob

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bob Stewart <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> What's the inherent problem with the idea?  In the early days of radio, they 
> used commercial radio transmissions as an encryption mechanism, so there is 
> some history of using commercial radio as a reference source.  Is it simply a 
> matter of different propagation delays and multi-path issues at different 
> locations?
> 
> Bob
> 
>      From: Mark Sims <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:59 AM
> Subject: [time-nuts] Time syncing WiFi routers using FM radio
> 
> Something tells me these guys haven't a clue...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/11/boffins_teach_routers_to_tune_in_and_dance/
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