Hi:

I think there were some versions prior to transistors.  For example:
https://prc68.com/I/HPac4a.shtml
A friend of the family worked at HP and gave these to me.

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1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how 
well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.

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Hello Time Nuts,

Hopefully some of you will find this snapshot of HP's "Santa Clara Division", 
the home of Frequency Standards and Frequency Counters interesting.   Send me a note if 
you want me to keep writing old HP stories.


When I arrived at HP Santa Clara Division (SCD, Division 02, as in the second HP division 
ever) in 1984, the beginning of the end of the "frequency" business was 
starting to be felt.

This product line dates to the 1950's with the invention of the first frequency counter.   
Breakthrough for its time, it enabled precision measurements of frequency, using 
"digital" techniques.   The basic idea:  Open a "gate" for 1 second, and count 
the number of positive zero crossings of a signal.  The count was the frequency to 1Hz resolution.  
  Longer gate times (10 seconds) would give more resolution, etc.   This required the invention of 
fast digital counting circuits (essentially a chain of flip-flops, likely implemented with the very 
earliest discrete transistors), some binary to decimal conversion for the display, and there you 
have it:  Something that can measure frequency.

Like all breakthrough measurements, the next 20+ years was spent refining the concept.    
Better "front end" amplifiers, able to measure low amplitude signals.   Faster 
counters, that could capture higher frequency signals.    Microwave front ends, to either 
divide the signal by 8 or 16 or whatever before being counted, or using some other down 
conversation technique.    Somewhere in the early 1970's (guess), the reciprocal counter 
was invented.  Rather than open the gate for 1 second,  use the input signal to open the 
gate for one period, and count a very high frequency time base instead.    It was much 
faster, and for lower frequency signals, much much higher resolution.   Now, if you had a 
~1KHz unknown signal, rather than only getting 4 significant digits in a one second 
measurement, if you counted a 100MHz time base for 1 millisecond, you would 5 digits of 
resolution.  Open the gate for a thousand cycles, and 8 digits of resolution were 
available.

With the reciprocal counter, it was essentially measuring a time interval (one period of 
the input signal), and calculating frequency.    The obvious extension was an instrument 
to measure time intervals directly, using two inputs.  Channel A to start and Channel B 
to stop.  And the "Universal Counter" was born.

All of these required an accurate frequency source to precisely open the gate, 
or to be counted in reciprocal counters or time interval measurements.   This 
is what drove the market for PFS - precision frequency sources.    A 
progression of improved quartz oscillators were invented, and then the cesium 
standards starting in 1965.   Now, from HP you could buy it all:  The perfect 
time base, and the high resolution counter.   All your frequency measurement 
dreams supplied from wonderful HP.       This was a great compliment to HPs 
frequency generator product lines.  (Remember HPs first product in 1939 was the 
200A audio oscillator.)    A frequency counter, using a precision time base, 
was able to calibrate (or perhaps tune) an oscillator or frequency generator to 
create a complete system to generate very accurate signals.    Lots of great 
applications for all of this.   Growth, profits, happiness.  I'll guess that 
the mid 1970's were the peak of the business.    In 1984, SCD was a ~$100M 
business per year, with frequency counters being over half of it.   (SCD also 
made laser interferometers, which was about ¼ of the business)

But as the 1970s became the 1980s, things started to go flat.   Frequency 
sources (Cesium standards, etc.) last for a very long time.  Did everyone who 
needed one already buy one?    We were also running out of new tricks to put 
into frequency counters.   And they lasted for a long time too.   New products 
were mostly just modern implementations of older models, with better computer 
interfaces for automated control, and cheaper to build.   Every general manager 
knows that he'll never grow his business replacing older products with newer, 
but cheaper replacements.

To make matters worse, the cold war was ending, and D.O.D. spending was slowing 
down.
To make things still worse, the signal generators now were "synthesizers", and 
included their own precision time bases.   No counter needed to measure the output.
And even worse, digital oscilloscopes were getting better, and they measured 
frequency right on the front panel, to 3 or 4 digits.   Which was often good 
enough.

SCD needed a new trick.    Divisions that don't grow become crummy places to work.  Especially for upwardly 
mobile managers.     A huge investment was made in "Sandblaster", which was  wafer level IC tester. 
 This lasted a couple of years and was cancelled.   "Waveform Recorders" were also invented and 
brought to market.  I think they were essentially a very deep memory digital oscilloscope, back when lots of 
DRAM memory was really expensive.  I think Rick Karlquist worked on these for a bit.   I don't think they 
really took off, and probably had a "charter war" conflict with the oscilloscope division in Ft. 
Collins(?) Colorado.

The premium universal counter in the early 1980's was the 5370A/B.  It's specialty was extremely 
high precision time interval measurements, with resolutions down to 20 pico seconds.     An idea 
was made to extend the time interval measurement into continuous real time, and measure dynamic 
time intervals, as a function of time.   HP called this "Modulation Domain" analysis.   I 
think that David Chu, one of the senior scientists at SCD in the 1970s and 1980s was a key inventor 
of this.     The 5371A was the outcome of this work.    It was followed by the 5372 and 5373.    
There also was a lower cost version call the 53310 ("Stonehenge"?).     The measurement 
was novel and unique.   You all know what oscilloscopes and spectrum analyzers do, but this was a 
new spin:  You could look at the phase of a signal as a function of time.

During the heyday of Modulation Domain Analyzers, HP would take promotional pictures for 
sales brochures.   The photographer would sometimes grab a HP employees to be in the photo 
shoot.   Jim Cole, now an inkjet engineer that I still work with was the model for the 5371A. 
  I stumbled across his picture in the Keysight company history web pages.  He had long 
forgotten it, and enjoyed seeing his  younger self from 30 years ago.    In about 1990, I was 
walking down the wrong hall one day, and offered a ham & cheese sub sandwich if I had a 
few pictures taken with the 53310A.   This photo of me with the instrument was up in the 
lobby of the SCD building in Santa Clara for several years.    A colleague rescued it from a 
dumpster during a renovation, and mailed it to me, as I had relocated to Vancouver WA.   It 
is now proudly displayed on the ceiling of my shop.   You can't see it this image, but the CD 
chosen by the photographer for the photo shoot always made me laugh:  An album by 
"Twisted Sister".

For a number of years, Modulation Domain analyzers really helped the business.  
 I recall that the 5371 sold about 80 units a month, for about $25K each, or 
~$2M of revenue a month.  For a division with less than $10M/month revenue, 
this was a really big deal.    A glimmer of hope for the division.      We just 
needed to keep coming with more ideas like this.      But this didn't come to 
pass.   Modulation domain analysis, with all its novelty, just didn't need to 
be done that much.   And digital oscilloscopes kept getting better.  Slowly, 
sadly, precision frequency measurement was becoming a rarely needed thing, and 
there were already thousands of good HP counters out there that worked just 
fine.

I was just down in the EE lab at my HP printer R&D site in Singapore last week, 
and found a 5314A and a 5315A counter on the shelf.    The lead tech thought they 
were pretty cool, but it was obvious they hadn't been used in decades.    I told 
him that I use to manage the engineering team that manufactured that product 30 
years ago.    In his polite Singaporean way, he acted impressed.

HP growth was eventually found in other businesses (like inkjet where I went 25 
years ago), and a colleague (John Flowers) that has stayed with Agilent and 
then Keysight said that Div 02, SCD was disbanded some many years ago.   It was 
a great place to start my HP career 35 years ago, but time and technology has 
marched on and left it behind.

Hugh Rice.












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