Agreed.  I'm sure the only difference between the two (if there really
is any) is all in the firmware.  They seem to disable a lot of the
nicer timing features in their non-timing modules.  Things like
UBX-CFG-TMODE2 to survey-in and enable 1SV timing mode is a big one.

-Dustin

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:00 AM Bob kb8tq <kb...@n1k.org> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> In every other generation of uBlox parts, the “high end” modules (in this 
> case the P and the T) pretty much did the same
> thing with only minor differences. You do need precise position to get 
> precise time. You also need precise time to get precise
> position. That’s just the way GPS works and always has worked.
>
> What gets us wrapped up are a bunch of specs that really are not very well 
> qualified. Just what they mean be this or that
> is rarely clear. Is a timing accuracy tracing it all the way back to BIH in 
> Paris? Is a location accuracy doing the same sort
> of thing? Even when they try to quantify a spec, that footnote may or may not 
> be completely correct. A lot of these docs
> still talk about the M8 parts when you drill down into them.
>
> The only way to really know is to try some parts and see. That’s the way it’s 
> always been with these modules from pretty
> much all the vendors.
>
> Bob
>
> > On Jan 25, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Mike Cook <michael.c...@sfr.fr> wrote:
> >
> > So the ultimate question is: Do you need a F9P  in order to find the 
> > precise position of your F9T Antenna so that you can set up the F9T or is 
> > the F9T’s survey mode as accurate ( I doubt it as the doc gives position 
> > accuracy 2m ). Come to think of it, do you need three positioning receivers 
> > to be sure of your position? and three P9Ts so that you can use 
> > differential mode for best timing accuracy. I see no on board quantization 
> > error correction mentioned, nor quantization error reporting though I 
> > expect that is there, so for best accurracy that has to be added.  This 
> > looks as though it could get expensive.
> >
> >
> >> Le 24 janv. 2019 à 07:30, Dustin Marquess <dmarqu...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >>
> >> This looks ideal to me:
> >>
> >> https://www.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/RCB-F9T_ProductSummary_%28UBX-18069985%29.pdf
> >>
> >> -Dustin
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:01 PM Angus via time-nuts
> >> <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> It doesn't look like the F9P does anything special for timing - the
> >>> timing specs given in the F9T spec sheet are 5 ns (1-sigma, clear sky,
> >>> absolute mode) and +/- 4ns jitter, but for the F9P are 30ns RMS and
> >>> 60ns for 99%.
> >>>
> >>> I think I want an F9T :)
> >>>
> >
> > In the year 1000 CE, the Persian Muslim scholar al-Biruni first used the 
> > term second in Arabic and defined it as 1⁄86,400 (that is, 1/(24 × 60 × 
> > 60)) of a mean solar day.
> >
> >
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