Hi

The trick is that a good 125 MHz OCXO has better phase noise at 100 Hz than a 
multiplied 5 or 10 MHz OCXO. By the time you get to 30 Hz, usually the lower 
frequency 
multiplied up wins. By the time you get to 3 Hz, the much higher Q HF OCXO 
always 
wins. (Yes, you could have a great 125 MHz and an utterly trash 5 MHz where 
this would 
not apply. For the OCXO’s used in the big old telecom GPSDO’s it does apply).

This also *assumes* the noise floor in your phase detector and noise floor in 
your dividers
is not limiting what you do. That *probably* is true for most of the parts you 
would reasonably
decide to use. Again, something that is worth measuring on the device you build 
up. 

Now - in *your* application, how much does 30 Hz phase noise matter? Maybe it 
is a big
deal, maybe it does not matter at all. If it does not matter, then indeed do 
the GPSDO 
straight up with the 125 ( or 250 or …. ) MHz oscillator. It very much depends 
on what the 
system you are designing up requires. 

Bob

> On Feb 12, 2019, at 10:34 PM, jimlux <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 2/12/19 4:41 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote:
>> OK.  I would still be interested to see if anyone has plots on the close in 
>> noise profile of the Lucents.  The XO part has an Efrom OCXO and I can 
>> assume it's similar to a generic OCXO.  But the RB is an unknown - I have no 
>> idea what to expect from that.
>> On a separate task, one of these days I would like to build up a set of 125 
>> & 500 Mhz sources for lab and gear use disciplined by a GPSDO 10Mhz feed.  
>> The current source is a 125 Mhz homebrew OCXO and a pair of 
>> doubler/amp/filter sets.  I assume they are pretty clean close in but the 
>> frequency moves around a bit more than I would like as the OCXO part of the 
>> equation is nothing special.  They drive some SDR and DDS sig gens here in 
>> the shack so the PN is a factor as well as the frequency accuracy.
> 
> what about disciplining the 125 MHz OCXO?
> or a really narrow PLL?
> 
> 
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