So is there a book Stephen, or other Tipsters, that you would reccomend that 
would provide responses to these claims? Ideally such a work would have 
explanations that would be understandable by undergrads in psychology, or 
psychology professors who do not have strong backgrounds in biology. :)

Thanks!
Joe

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 12/22/2005 3:01 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: ID ruling
 
On 20 Dec 2005 at 12:49, Scott Lilienfeld wrote:

> I'm of course pleased to hear about the judge's decision, although some news 
> outlets, like CNN, are already describing it as "banning" ID theory from 
> being  mentioned in biology classes (see www.cnn.com).  
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> Much as I feel strongly that ID theory should not be taught as an equally 
> viable  alternative to Darwinian natural selection in biology classes, I
 > would not want  biology teachers to be muzzled into not even mentioning
>  or discussing it.  

I'd go further. I support the heresy (from the science camp standpoint) that ID 
_should_ be taught in the classroom.  For two reasons:

1) Refusing to discuss ID in the classroom,  when ID has been presented to many 
students elsewhere as a credible alternative to evolution, sends exactly the 
wrong message about science. It says that science suppresses views it disagrees 
with, rather than debating and refuting them with logic and evidence. This is 
the way religion operates, not science. We want  students to understand this 
distinction, and the best way to ensure that they do is to meet the ID 
challenge head on.  To refuse to discuss ID suggests to students that it 
represents a valid alternative which evolutionists are unable or afraid to 
debate.

2)  To ignore ID in the classroom wastes a unique opportunity to clarify for 
students the difference between a true scientific theory and a religious 
belief, or between science and pseudoscience. Experts in the philosophy of 
science and in evolution could provide model lessons for biology teachers to 
apply in the classroom illustrating how evolution constitutes a valid 
scientific theory and ID does not. 

In particular, ID proponents argue for a Designer by attempting to find flaws 
in the evidence for evolution. Judge John Jones made short work of this 
illogical claim in his recent Dover school district judgement, pointing out 
that whatevert the alleged deficiencies in evolutionary theory, they provide no 
support for its religious alternative. Yet the objections raised by 
creationists do have a degree of plausibility which a non-expert would have 
difficulty in refuting, and which seem persuasive to many. We can't assume that 
if they don't hear about it in class, they won't hear about it elsewhere.  For 
example, I'm sure that the now notorious _Of Pandas and People_ is required 
reading in many homes.  The opportunity to examine the well-worn criticisms of 
the creationists  and provide evidence against them should not be missed. It 
will give students the knowledge to effectively refute such specious arguments. 
It's important not only to tell students that evolution is a fact but to 
provide evidence to support that claim. Otherwise, we're saying only, "believe 
us, not them". 

For example, what would you say to refute or evaluate each of the following 
claims  (taken from http://www.vuletic.com/hume/cefec/  except as noted):

1: The perfection of structures like the human eye is proof of creation.

2: "Irreducibly complex" things could not have evolved by small steps, and 
evolutionists have not even tried to show that they have.

3: There is no explanation for how the bacterial flagellum could have evolved.

4: Evolutionists cannot explain how feathers could have evolved.

5:The peppered moth does not demonstrate evolution because no speciation occurs 
[or that the peppered moth example of evolution is a fraud--SB]

6: Mutations are always harmful.

7:: Chromosome numbers cannot change without producing harmful effects.

8: There are plenty of mutations that cause birth defects, but none that cause 
"birth improvements."

9: The rate of mutation is too small for mutation to serve as a source of 
variation.

10:  Regardless of mutation rates, the rate of microevolution is too low to 
account for the macroevolutionary change observed in the fossil record.

11: Macroevolution remains unproved because no one has observed it. In fact, 
macroevolution is in principle unobservable, so evolution is unscientific.

12: No one has ever seen one species arise from another.

13: Natural selection is a tautology: the fittest survive, and those who 
survive are the fittest.

14: If humans had evolved from apes, there would no longer be any apes around.

15. Evolution is unfalsifiable, and therefore unscientific.
 
A few I've heard elsewhere (no source)

16. Gaps in the fossil record disprove evolution

17. Haeckel's drawings showing that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"  (an 
observation which supports evolution) are faked

18. The earth is much younger than is claimed by evolutionists

Speaking personally, without researching these criticisms I would be hard 
pressed to answer them in a convincing manner. Classroom lessons providing 
sound discussion and evidence bearing on such claims would provide an 
invaluable experience in how science operates, and give students the means to 
refute them. 

So by all means let's discuss ID in the classroom. Let's tell  'em what IDers 
say about evolution and then tell 'em why it's wrong.

Stephen
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