I wasn't suggesting that self-consciousness is all that there is to consciousness. We are conscious of what's chair and what's desk. I was only suggesting that the distinction between what's in here and what's out there might not involve anything different.
>>> "Christopher D. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/26/2007 12:29 PM >>> Self-consciousness is one (and one particularly problematic) species of consciousness. It is all too common, however, to find people criticize or reject consciousness, tout court, on the basis of problems that appear to apply only to self-consciousness. Regards, Chris ================== Michael Scoles wrote: Is consciousness about being aware, or aware of me, or aware of what's me and what's not me? If it is the latter, is it anything more than a figure-ground discrimination problem? Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling University of Central Arkansas Conway, AR 72035 501-450-5418 >>> Paul Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/26/2007 10:44 AM >>> At 9:14 AM -0500 2/25/07, Pollak, Edward wrote: ><snip> .... whatever our definitions of consciousness, I think we >could reach something of a consensus that (whatever it is) >earthworms, fish, frogs, lizards, and maybe even mice do not have it. Pigeons have been taught to report internal states, such as whether they are being affected by a psychoactive drug. Can we say that they are 'conscious' of being in that state? If not, what is missing beyond the tautological observation that they are not human? -- The best argument against Intelligent Design is that fact that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Dept Minnesota State University * * 23 Armstrong Hall, Mankato, MN 56001 ph 507-389-6217 * * http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english
