Let me second Nancy's comments. It has taken extreme self control to not respond to the baiting and threatening nature of the most recent comments.
Can we all just PLEASE agree to have extreme self control and extinguish this abusive behavior. How can we, as professionals, keep allowing the abuse to go on? I thought based on a recent post that Bill was dealing with this? We will soon loose some good members. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [email protected] ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:29:24 EDT >From: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [tips] for Marc Carter >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <[email protected]> > > I swear, if we could just all make ourselves stop > responding to these provocative, mean-spirited > trolls, first we'd see an escalation, (the > pre-extinction "burst) and then they would go away. > > As long as we continue to indulge this nonsense, it > will dominate our TIPS list, and many good > contributors will be driven away. I am tired of the > "MSTIPS" list activity. It's not our list anymore, > it's his. > > I and a few other valiant souls are trying to ignore > him, but as long as other people continue to > respond, we'll continue to have this crap inflicted > on us. > > Nancy Melucci > Long Beach City College > Long Beach CA > > njm > Make a Small Loan, Make a Big Difference - Check out > Kiva.org to Learn How! > > In a message dated 10/2/2009 6:25:43 A.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > I was likewise puzzled. Apparently "some > scholars" say that recruiting Latinos from > countries where baseball is huge is contributing > to the de-American-Africanization of American > baseball. > > But here's my puzzlement: Michael asserts that *to > Americans*, most Dominicans would be considered to > be of African descent (as indeed most are, along > with Caribbean Indian -- and btw, they are the > most beautiful people I have ever seen). > > So, I find preposterous in the extreme the idea > that there's some nefarious plot among the owners > and managers of American baseball teams to exclude > Americans of African descent in favor of Latinos > of African descent. > > Maybe I'm just thick, but that just makes no sense > at all. > > m > > -- > Marc Carter, PhD > Associate Professor and Chair > Department of Psychology > College of Arts & Sciences > Baker University > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Allen Esterson > [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:21 AM > > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences > (TIPS) > > Subject: [tips] for Marc Carter > > > > On 1 October 2009 in a posting headed "for > Marc Carter" > > Michael Sylvester wrote: > > >I saw where you posed a question to me in the > Tips archives > > but I did > > >not receive the post in my regular mail. I am > preparing to > > take action > > >against Frostburg State through the ACLU if my > First > > amendment rights > > >are been violated FSU could lose some federal > funds. > > > > The only question posed by Marc recently (as far > as I can see) is the > > following: > > > I lived in the Dominican Republic; baseball is > bigger there > > than it is > > >here, so naturally there are going to be a lot > of good > > players coming > > >out of there. In what way is that a bad thing? > > > > Why Michael follows his remark about a question > f rom Marc > > with his reference to First Amendment rights is > unclear. It > > would make more sense in relation to Jim > Matiya's criticisms > > of Michael's language and tone in a couple of > his recent > > postings (see below) followed by Bill > Southerly's response, > > "This matter is being addressed". > > > > My immediate reaction to Bill's comment was a > concern that > > some action was being considered in relation to > Michael's > > comments that some people (most I suggest) find > offensive. My > > own feeling about such comments is that if they > are continued > > after objections have been made (as in the case > of his use of > > "chicks" for women), then subsequent postings > from Michael > > should be ignored. > > > > Of course we don't know w > > hat Bill meant by the matter being addressed, > but I think > > that (within limits - something of course > difficult to > > define) there should not be heavy-handed action > against > > someone who uses language most of us find > offensive, or as in > > the following instance, unworthy of a response: > > > > > Ken,Jim: > > >Your posts are ridiculous. Are bystanders' > apathy only reserved for > > >white people?... > > >Obviously you all know nothing about a black > community. > > >Gimme a break. Keep your eurocentric cognitive > imperialistic > > analysis > > >in the classrom. dude. > > > > Allen Esterson > > Former lecturer, Science Department > > Southwark College, London > > http://www.esterson.org > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > ------- > > 0A[tips] for Marc Carter > > michael sylvester > > Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:37:38 -0700 > > > > I saw where you posed a question to me in the > Tips archives > > but I did not receive the post in my regular > mail. I am > > preparing to take action against Frostburg State > through the > > ACLU if my First amendment rights are been > violated FSU could > > lose some federal funds Anyway, re your question > about the > > Dominican Republic: yep,baseball is very popular > in the > > DR,Panama,Porto Rico and Nicaragua and they have > produced > > excellent players for baseball in the U.S so > recruitment from > > those countries would be a good idea. > > However,among some Afro-American scholars,the > Central > > American irecruitment has helped to dil ute the > hope and > > aspirations of many black youth in the U.S who > aspire to be > > players but view the Central American > initiatives as > > competing and puts them at an unfair > disadvantage. > > Some Afro-American scholars also see trhis as > the > > Hispanization of the game-as if the game had > become too > > Africanized.Interestingly enough,most of those > players have > > African ancestry and would be considered as > black according > > to the U.S "one drop" > > rule.But > > Dominicans are very racist in denying their > African roots > > because of the "mulatto escape hatch" concept. > > But more on this later. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Michael Sylvester,PhD > > Daytona Beach,Florida > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > > ------- > > > > RE: [tips] NFL/Tuskegee flashback > > Marc Carter > > Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:57:01 -0700 > > I lived in the Dominican Republic; baseball is > bigger there > > than it is here, so naturally there are going to > be a lot of > > good players coming out of there. In what way > is that a bad thing? > > > > -- > > Marc Carter, PhD > > Associate Professor and Chair > > Department of Psychology > > College of Arts & Sciences > > Baker University > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Re: [tips] Kitty Genovese/The Windy City Bill > Southerly Wed, > > 30 Sep 2009 14:30:28 -0700 FYI, > > > > This matter is being addressed. > > > > Bill > > TIPS ListManager > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Jim Mati > > ya wrote: > > > > > > > > Once again, we are subjected to Michaels' > words that spread hurt, > > > disappointment, and degrade a person. He has > done this consistently > > > over the past several years because he does > not agree with another > > > person's post. Just last week, several women > objected to his > > reference > > > of women as "chicks." > > > > > > Michael, you know nothing about who I am, > where I have > > lived and my > > > experiences. Yet, you feel you have the right > to criticize me and > > > others, because of their race, because of > their posts (too many > > > references, too many examples), because of > their sexuality. > > > > > > Here is the link to the complete video taken > by a student > > at Fenger > > > High School. Watch > > it and make your own decisions. Be careful, it > is > > > difficult to watch. At 42 seconds into the > video, Derrion Albert is > > > hit with a board. I do not know what people > 100-200 yards > > were doing. > > > The video does not show that. > > > > > > > http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/weis_three_suspects > > > > > > I love TIPS and I enjoy all the wonderful > people who contribute > > > different ideas and strategies. Michaels' > words are mean and > > > degrading. I do not deserve to be spoken to in > such a tone > > nor do the > > > others. Last year a psychologist left the > list-serv because of > > his > > > posts. I don't want to do that, but I am > considering it. > > > > > > JIm > > > > > > Jim Matiya <i.p.emwink.gif> > > > Florida Gulf Co > > ast University > > > [email protected] > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [tips] Kitty Genovese/The Windy City > > > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:36:25 -0400 > > > > > > > > > Ken,Jim: > > > Are you trying to say that there were no > bystanders' apathy because > > > two black gangs were involved? Your posts are > ridiculous. Are > > > bystanders' apathy only reserved for white > people? > > > I saw the video too but the video did not > capture folks who > > were 100 > > > or 200 yards away. > > > There were ordinary people around and this > fact has been a > > matter of > > > discussion on the major news network.Obviously > you all know nothing > > > about a black community.Gimme > > a break. > > > Keep your eurocentric cognitive imperialistic > analysis in the > > > classrom.dude. > > > > > > Michael Sylvester,PhD > > > Daytona Beach,Florida > > > > > > --- > > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > > > Bill Southerly ([email protected]) > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any > attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by Baker > University ("BU") and is intended to be > confidential and for the use of only the > individual or entity named above. The information > may be protected by federal and state privacy and > disclosures acts or other legal rules. 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