Yes, thanks again Scott! Over the last several years i have been encouraging students interested in clinical work, but not science, research,etc., to consider Social Work. For more serious problems, yes, a medical, neurological, psychiatric specialist may be needed....maybe psych clinical people fit in here? Many of my SW friends, working for state govt., would warn students away from THEIR area of work however, but there are many alternative areas of employment, and they are typically better trained in diverse social/community systems as well as various therapies. Why hire a doctoral level person when the budget and needs can be addressed by someone with MSW!? Most Psy.D programs do involve some dissertation work, and evidenced based practice is steessed in many professional schools. I do not think it is a degree best suited for the academy however, but rather applied work in community.
GPeterson Gary's iPad On Sep 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Annette Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the link to the whole article, Scott. This is useful for all of us > who advise students. > > I talked to my student about the MSW but he thinks a PsyD "might" open more > doors for him than an MSW. I have tried to disabuse him of that idea but only > have this year to convince him. He is now a senior. > > Annette > > Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. > Professor, Psychological Sciences > University of San Diego > 5998 Alcala Park > San Diego, CA 92110 > [email protected] > ________________________________________ > From: Lilienfeld, Scott O [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:11 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: RE:[tips] PsyD programs > > Hi Annette - The rankings provided by Jim and Miguel are useful as rough > guides. > > One key point. Your student should understand that all Psy.D. programs, at > least those that are APA accredited, require a dissertation, although the > extent to which the dissertation requires systematic research (as opposed, > for example, to a case study or series of case studies) varies considerably > across programs. To my knowledge, even the non-accredited Psy.D. programs > require a dissertation of some sort, although there may be rare exceptions of > which I'm unaware. > > He should certainly also look into social work programs if he wants to > be a practicing clinician. As Dick McFall and others have noted, the future > almost surely lies with MSWs, not Psy.Ds. See below for a sobering, although > realistic, discussion: > > > http://data.psych.udel.edu/abelcher/Shared%20Documents/7%20Professional%20Issues%20(25)/mcfall%202005%20articulating%20values%20and%20principles.pdf > > ....Scott > > ________________________________________ > From: Annette Taylor [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:17 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] PsyD programs > > I know that many folks poo poo psy d programs and I understand why that is > so. But I also understand from other folks that some of these programs are > quite good. (Scott are you there? can you answer this one?) > > I have a student who would like to go the psy d route--respects research, has > worked with me in the past, but just doesn't want to do a dissertation; > prefers the additional clinical training and knows he wants to be a clinician > and not a researcher later on, although wants to be intelligent about the > research evidence. He would like some guidance on "better" programs. I am not > a clinician and don't keep up as well as maybe a clinician might. > > Collective wisdom please on this issue--which are some of the better psy d > programs. > > Annette > > Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. > Professor, Psychological Sciences > University of San Diego > 5998 Alcala Park > San Diego, CA 92110 > [email protected] > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=4575 > or send a blank email to > leave-4575-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a21b0&n=T&l=tips&o=4579 > or send a blank email to > leave-4579-13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a2...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94b&n=T&l=tips&o=4595 > or send a blank email to > leave-4595-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4597 or send a blank email to leave-4597-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
