Joan Warmbold wrote:
> Chris--do you have a source for that quote--love it as so on target. 

Green, 2010, personal communication. :-)
(Though the me...thee rhyme has been used by many in the past.)

> But I clearly never received
> [Skinner's] message on a personal level until attending this lecture.  Only 
> then
> did I feel distressed by the reality of MY lack of free-will as he was so
> clear, engaging and brilliant but also distressing as I finally had to
> accept "determinism for me also?!"  

Fear not. Skinner didn't have any choice about saying that. It was due 
to his conditioning history.

Chris Green
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>> Free will for me. Determinism (genetic or environmental) for thee.
>>
>> Chris Green
>> currently in Montreal...  reading and enjoying _The Spirit Level: Why
>> Equlaity is Better for Everyone_, in which Oliver James is occasionally
>> cited, which I am sure will rankle Allen's apparently reflexive Toryism.
>> :-)
>>
>> =================
>>
>> Rick Froman wrote:
>>     
>>> I don't see any evidence that either right or left wingers really are
>>> motivated to find the ultimate causes of behavior in either genetics or
>>> environment. The majority still feel that such explanations de-humanize
>>> and violate human freedom and responsibility. I think that is true for
>>> the majority of both left and right and, despite what they might think
>>> about the causes of other's behavior, very few act as if they believe
>>> their own behaviors are not largely freely chosen.
>>>
>>> To find evidence of both left and right support for genetic
>>> explanations, one need look no further than
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics. As Wikipedia is reflective of the
>>> wisdom of the crowds
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds), no critical
>>> thinking required).
>>>
>>> Fear the Beard!
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
>>> Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
>>> John Brown University
>>> Siloam Springs, AR  72761
>>> [email protected]
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Mike Palij [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:29 AM
>>> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
>>> Cc: Mike Palij
>>> Subject: RE: Re:[tips] Are Genes Left-Wing?
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Re: (2) Except that genetic explanations have a long history in
>>> right-wing
>>> politics and environmental explanation have a long history in left-wing
>>> politics.  As we learn more about gene-environment interactions, the
>>> overly simplistic conceptions of nature vs nurture ideologies will have
>>> to
>>> be reworked.  But, just as creationsists will not find any scientific
>>> evidence
>>> that undermines creation science to be credible, eugenics-oriented
>>> right wingers will not be deterred by evidence that their conceptions
>>> of "bad genes" are invalid.  Left-wingers, I think, should be cautious
>>> in embracing genetic explanations unless the research is really, really
>>> good.
>>> ---
>>>
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