I think I did get off the point, Chris. I was about to ask what you and Stephen thought DID contribute to a greater degree is acceptance....and you just answered my unasked question.
Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Green <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm not sure what Beth thinks I suggested. I certainly didn't suggest that > large numbers of > immigrants make acceptance automatic. I simply pointed out that the > immigration history > that the Times highlighted in this piece is rather old news. Instead, I > think that various other > aspects of the Canadian experience have made immigration comparatively > (though by no > means completely) painless here. It has a lot to do (IMHO) with much > stronger social programs > (health, unemployment, welfare, public education) and much less income > inequality than in the US > (very generally speaking). This makes for a lower level of desperation when > things begin to go > wrong. Taxes, while not loved in Canada, are not regarded as some sort of > theft on the part of the gov't. > Most agree with (ironically) Oliver Wendell Holmes' comment that taxes > are the price of living > in a civilized society. > > The Mexican border makes some difference to the situations in the two > countries, but I > don't think nearly as much difference as some would like to claim. > > Allow me to reiterate my recommendation of the book _The Spirit Level: Why > Equality > Is Better for Everyone_. > > Chris > --- > Christopher D Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 > Canada > > [email protected] > > On Nov 14, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Beth Benoit <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thought-provoking comments from our Canadian members, but I suspect that > Chris' suggestion that the large numbers of ethnically diverse people in a > city or area make acceptance a given. We lived near Lowell, Massachusetts > for 2 1/2 decades - from 1974 to 1998. While we were there, the numbers of > Cambodian immigrants continued to swell, until Lowell had more immigrants > than any other city except for Long Beach, California. In the 1970's, over > 10% of its population was Cambodian - up to 35,000 in the area. > Additionally, there was/is a high number of immigrants from many other > nations - Koreans, East Indians, Vietnamese, and others. If Chris' comments > are correct, then one would suspect that the Lowell area must have welcomed > the Cambodians and other ethnic minorities since there were so many of them. > Sadly, I don't think anyone would describe Lowell as generally having an > "accommodating culture" - at least not at that time. > > Beth Benoit > Granite State College > Plymouth State University > New Hampshire > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Christopher D. Green <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> <[email protected]>[email protected] wrote: >> >> So I was delighted to see a positive piece on us in the New York >> Times this morning concerning our treatment of immigrants. I >> especially liked this: >> >> "Canada also has a more accommodating political culture - >> one that accepts more pluribus and demands less unum". >> >> See <http://tinyurl.com/2u6dxag>http://tinyurl.com/2u6dxag >> >> >> This is all true, but it hardly seems like "news." Toronto was named the >> most ethnically diverse city in the world something like a decade ago (The >> city now features three distinct "China towns.") Vancouver, though not as >> diverse as Toronto, has had vast Chinese and Sikh communities since before I >> lived there in the 1980s. Even Montreal (hamstrung a bit by periodic >> "nationalist" governments), has largish (French-speaking) Haitian and >> Vietnamese communities (in addition to their long-standing Italian and Greek >> populations). Calgary and even Winnipeg have historically had sizeble >> immigrant populations too. I wonder why the New York Times decided to pick >> this up now. >> >> Best, >> Chris >> =========== >> >> Stephen >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stephen L. 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